YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[thenoflyzone]

5th freedom routes are a vestige from the past. It was a matter of time. CX now has 4 daily non stops to the NY area. This will go up to 32x weekly after the end of YVR-JFK.

People want non stop, and YVR-JFK demand wasn’t enough for the route to make money. Sadly HKG-YVR will go down to 14x weekly in the process as well.

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Airliners.net has a thread about Cathay discontinuing JFK-YVR fifth freedom flight in the new year.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1430987

The source is an article from The Points Guy: https://thepointsguy.com/news/cathay-pacific-will-end-its-new-york-vancouver-flights-next-spring/

Really too bad, the flight times were ideal, and the service quality was A+. With this loss in capacity (only AC year round YVR to NYC) I wonder if AC adds an additional daily flight, or if WS, DL, UA pick up the lost capacity.

Also, sad to see YVR - HKG down to 2 daily on Cathay.The article says that the 2 daily flights will be served by 438 seat 777....however, it appears these aircraft are equipped with regional seating.....not sure that is correct.

[CloudInspector]

I could see WS adding YVR-JFK. It would be a good addition, seeing as how they already serve JFK from YYC and the JV with Delta would help build connections at both ends.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by CloudInspector

I could see WS adding YVR-JFK. It would be a good addition, seeing as how they already serve JFK from YYC and the JV with Delta would help build connections at both ends.

Let's not forget that between DL, AC and UA, there is still a decent amount of capacity between Vancouver and New York in the summertime.

DL already serves YVR-JFK seasonally. I dont think WS will be able to compete on YVR- NYC before the JV is approved (at least not with a B737), because they would essentially be competing with DL to JFK and with AC - which has the corporate traffic tied up nicely with the daytime B789- and UA on YVR-EWR). It would also go against the WS strategy of feeding the YYC hub. Why feed DL at JFK when you can feed your own hub at YYC? Also, on the westbound leg, it's not like WS has much to offer the DL clientele through YVR. So they would need to rely on O&D.

Maybe DL could go year round JFK-YVR because of this (although US Point of sale is highly seasonal on the route), or AC adding a second daily flight (a red eye, but that departs early enough to make use of the preclearance). Once the DL/WS JV gets approved, WS could takeover the route.

If WS really wants to compete on YVR-JFK, they would need to match AC and send a B789 on the route, to try and steal some corporate traffic away from AC. But they would be chasing mostly O&D and would run the risk of running the route at a deficit for a few years, while they build up their brand on the route. Ideally, they would announce some YVR-Asia flights to go along a YVR-JFK. The chances of all of this happening? Not great.

Remember, all signs point to a recession just around the corner.

My 2 cents.

[Langdon0630]

The official end date is 28MAR2020 per Routesonline.

Cathay Pacific discontinues Vancouver – New York JFK service in late-March 2020
By Jim Liu

Posted10 September 2019 19:35

Cathay Pacific in late-Tuesday (10SEP19; Hong Kong time) adjusted inventory system, which sees the closure of Vancouver – New York JFK reservation, a route it has been operating since July 1996 when the oneWorld carrier launched New York JFK service.

Reservation for travel on/after 28MAR20 is now closed. Previously filed summer 2020 schedule as follows.

CX888 YVR2255 – 0700+1JFK 77W D
CX865 JFK2150 – 0050+1YVR 77W D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...new-york-jfk-service-in-late-march-2020/

So sad. I have three one-way YVR - JFK flight booked using points in April 2020. I wonder how I will get to New York now...

[officedweller]

Pics by me Thursday, Sept 5th:

[SpongeG]

Air Philippines doesn't fly YVR to JFK anymore, does it? on a facebook post about this service ceasing some people were like just use Philippines air as they do the route.

[Johnny Aussie]

The CX YVR cuts are part of a much bigger picture.
CX cutting capacity significantly as passenger volumes to/from HKG plummet.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1VW0ZB

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The CX YVR cuts are part of a much bigger picture.
CX cutting capacity significantly as passenger volumes to/from HKG plummet.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1VW0ZB

CX is cutting HKG-YVR from 16x to 13x weekly as of Oct 29. This is directly related to what is going on in HKG.

Cancelling YVR-JFK next March has little to do with the protests in HKG. The writing was on the wall for that one a long time ago. Surprised it lasted this long, considering CX management confirmed the route has been losing money for years.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Cancelling YVR-JFK next March has little to do with the protests in HKG. The writing was on the wall for that one a long time ago. Surprised it lasted this long, considering CX management confirmed the route has been losing money for years.

Agreed not a huge market currently and besides CX has three direct flights daily from JFK to HKG. Why stop off at YVR?

[jollyburger]

But they'll increase the seating density on the remaining 14 flights HKG-YVR by dumping First Class.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...new-york-jfk-service-in-late-march-2020/

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

But they'll increase the seating density on the remaining 14 flights HKG-YVR by dumping First Class.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...new-york-jfk-service-in-late-march-2020/

Only the JFK originating flight had F class. Looks like the overall capacity from YVR-HKG will remain the same. More adjustments coming it looks like to a few stations.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Only the JFK originating flight had F class. Looks like the overall capacity from YVR-HKG will remain the same. More adjustments coming it looks like to a few stations.

No choice really. CX passenger traffic down 11% in August because of the protests, and the drop in J was even more.

On a different note, is it me, or are the lines at security getting worse? Last international flight in July, I think it took me 45 mins. Flew domestic earlier this week, and the queues were also pretty slow.

[trofirhen]

In 1997, with the cession of HK back to China, despite the semi-autonomous status that the city enjoyed, I think it was in the back of everyone's mind that a hard crackdown would come.
It was not a question of 'if' but of 'when' and the open-ended question was 'when.' This, of course, has played havoc with HK's international standing as a major world financial status.
..... https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-reclaims-top-spot-in-competitive-economy-ranking
Singapore has taken the lead now (as everyone knows, better than I: see article) and that nonstop to Singapore is more necessary than ever, it seems, even if on the less-glamorous AC.
If Canada is trying to get a nonstop to Singapore, would this not be most timely? Don't wait for SQL to come to us; they won't, it seems. Air Canada has to go Singapore, like it or not.
This is not intended as trolling; just an observation, and I hope it will be taken as such. Thank you.

[Rogie]

YVR AIF going up by $5 to $25 on January 1. AIF within B.C. stays $5.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

No choice really. CX passenger traffic down 11% in August because of the protests, and the drop in J was even more.

On a different note, is it me, or are the lines at security getting worse? Last international flight in July, I think it took me 45 mins. Flew domestic earlier this week, and the queues were also pretty slow.

I fly out Saturday at 3 usually and the lineup at C gates is usually 5 minutes or so. If I go earlier it can be 15+ minutes.

Later on, in the evening it can be quite long cause they security for the B gates is closed. I usually come back around 7-8 pm and the C gate line is quite long when I pass it.

[SpongeG]

“We are expecting a couple of new ones,” he said. “I cant tell you exactly what they are – possibly inter-continental. We would have more new routes within the U.S., I think, if it weren’t for the 737-Max issue.”

Cathay Pacific to cut Vancouver-New York route next spring

Frequency on Cathay Pacific's Hong Kong-Vancouver route will also be reduced

By Glen Korstrom | September 13, 2019

Vancouver International Airport CEO Craig Richmond told BIV on September 12 that he is disappointed that Cathay will no longer fly to New York out of his airport.

“You don’t like to lose any flight,” he said. “I’ve taken that flight myself. It’s very popular with a lot of Vancouverites. The fact is the airline decided they’re not making enough money and they’re going to redeploy those aircraft. We would do everything we can to try to convince them if it is possible to not pull that flight, but, honestly, I haven’t had a chance to talk to Cathay. We just found out about it two days ago.”

Richmond said that the good news about flight routings out of his airport is that there are likely to be some new routes to announce soon.

“We are expecting a couple of new ones,” he said. “I cant tell you exactly what they are – possibly inter-continental. We would have more new routes within the U.S., I think, if it weren’t for the 737-Max issue.”

https://biv.com/article/2019/09/cathay-p...zGWSuDFqq0jn54prCZKlHloiXqSjDTY34UmzdAgk

[nname]

YVR posted the terminal map for the D pier extension


(http://www.yvr.ca/en/passengers/navigate-yvr/terminal-maps)

So from 59 to 67, 4 of them are bridge gates and 4 are remote stand, not sure which is which.

[nname]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

“We are expecting a couple of new ones,” he said. “I cant tell you exactly what they are – possibly inter-continental. We would have more new routes within the U.S., I think, if it weren’t for the 737-Max issue.”

Does the Air North route count as new ones?

The Air North milk run had finally opened for reservation, at least between YVR, YLW, and YXY (other cities are not in the destination drop-down list yet). The route had been operating as charter since late June.

Effective Sep 19, 26
4N473 YVR-YCD-YLW-YXS-YQH
4N474 YQH-YXS-YLW-YCD-YVR

Effective Oct 3-31 (weekly on Thursday)
4N473 YVR-YCD-YLW-YXS-YQH-YXY
4N474 YXY-YQH-YXS-YLW-YCD-YVR

Yes, you can book a 4-stops flight to YXY, at a higher price compared to the other direct or 1-stop flights.

(YQH = Watson Lake)

[trofirhen]

Regarding the dropping of CX YVR to JFK, although the service may be super, and it's JFK, not EWK, it seems to me that this is a blow to YVR prestige more than anything else.
Craig Richmond mentioned several routes, not announced yet yet, which may be 'intercontinental.' For me that's exciting. Mr. Richmond is cautiously noncommital at the moment,
but the idea of several (two or more) intercontinental routes, IMO, outweighs the loss of CX to JFK.