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What a difference. About four or five years ago I took a group of undergraduate planning students from Ryerson on a whistlestop SkyTrain tour of Metro Vancouver to illustrate polycentric regional planning and development and the impact of integrating regional land use planning and rapid transit investment. We stopped and walked around several places (Metrotown, New Westminster, Surrey Central, Lougheed, and Brentwood) to illustrate nodes at varying stages of development. Brentwood, in particular, was just a hellscape at the time with TAB a hole in the ground and it was pouring rain. I do recall saying to them that where they were standing would be unrecognizable by the end of the decade...

Looks like we made it with time to spare.
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Yes. It's except on the other side of the station is still very much of a hellscape
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What a difference. About four or five years ago I took a group of undergraduate planning students from Ryerson on a whistlestop SkyTrain tour of Metro Vancouver to illustrate polycentric regional planning and development and the impact of integrating regional land use planning and rapid transit investment. We stopped and walked around several places (Metrotown, New Westminster, Surrey Central, Lougheed, and Brentwood) to illustrate nodes at varying stages of development. Brentwood, in particular, was just a hellscape at the time with TAB a hole in the ground and it was pouring rain. I do recall saying to them that where they were standing would be unrecognizable by the end of the decade...

Looks like we made it with time to spare.
And you didn't walk around Commercial Broadway? Looks like you avoided anywhere in Vancouver proper.

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Yes. It's except on the other side of the station is still very much of a hellscape
Brentwood Mall will be a booster to the change on the other side of the road, and beyond.
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And you didn't walk around Commercial Broadway? Looks like you avoided anywhere in Vancouver proper.
Since you asked so nicely, and without ulterior motive, we started at Stadium-Chinatown and had a stop at Main Street-Science World, where we walked around City Gate (first wave of TOD) and then headed over to the Olympic Village (second wave). I also narrated as we went through Joyce.
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2019, 8:20 PM
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Since you asked so nicely, and without ulterior motive, we started at Stadium-Chinatown and had a stop at Main Street-Science World, where we walked around City Gate (first wave of TOD) and then headed over to the Olympic Village (second wave). We also narrated as we went through Joyce.
But I suppose you didn't tell the Ryerson students that you envision great changes in those areas in 5 years, did you? (Again, questioning nicely, with no ulterior motives)
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City of Burnaby wants a better brand than just being next to Vancouver
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/metro-matters-burnaby-brand-1.5008795

The biggest development under construction in Burnaby doesn't seem to want anyone to know it's actually in Burnaby.

"The Amazing Brentwood" opens its first sold-out condominium tower later this year, with a renovated Brentwood Mall and two other sold-out residential towers under construction, and eight more planned.

It's a prime example of Burnaby's strategy of concentrating growth around SkyTrain stations, with instant neighbourhoods that double as destination points unto themselves.

But it's also a prime example of how Burnaby lacks an easily identifiable brand: the project's website only mentions B.C.'s third largest city once, in small font for the location of the presentation centre, compared with slogans that say "the best of Vancouver in one amazing place" and "Welcome to Vancouver" displayed prominently on the rest of the site.

Skyrocketing real estate has malls putting homes, not cars, in parking lots
For the record, The Amazing Brentwood is two kilometres from Vancouver.

"When you're talking to an international audience, we've talked about Metro Vancouver because that's what's known," said Darren Kwiatkowski, VP Development for Shape Properties, which is both developing and marketing The Amazing Brentwood.

"But as we get closer in, 'Burnaby,' the 'best of Burnaby,' the 'best of Vancouver,' they're all words associated with us."

He denied that Shape Properties consciously downplayed its municipal jurisdiction. But it's not the only situation where Burnaby's proximity to Vancouver creates a certain cognitive dissonance for marketers.

'What is Burnaby?'

"I sort of understand where they're coming from," admitted Chris Peters, executive director of Tourism Burnaby.

With his job directly tied to convincing people from afar to visit Burnaby, he faces the inherent identity challenges everyday.

The Amazing Brentwood's website prominently mentions Vancouver several times, but only notes the project is in Burnaby once. (The Amazing Brentwood )
"It is a little bit challenging for Burnaby when we're on a global stage," Peters said. "People haven't heard of it, even within our own country. Quite often people will ask me how far is the flight from Vancouver to Burnaby?

"The biggest weakness really is 'What is Burnaby?' What is there to do there, and having people understand that there is an experience to be had there that's different from Vancouver, or the North Shore, or Richmond or the Fraser Valley."

To that end, Peters says Tourism Burnaby will be rebranding later this year, highlighting the sort of weekend-long tour guides and Instagrammable opportunities that are in vogue with smaller municipalities in the region.

At the same time, Peters said a lot of Burnaby's tourism opportunities will continue to come from people on business trips, sports tournaments looking for affordable fields and people seeking more affordable hotels than in downtown Vancouver.

"I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't think a lot of people are going to discover Burnaby and say 'You know what, let's cancel the trip to Disneyland. I got to take my family to Burnaby for a week this year."

Does any of this matter?

Still, Burnaby's new mayor sees a new opportunity to champion the city as something more than the Mississauga to Vancouver's Toronto.

"I think we have been very reluctant to promote ourselves as a city as much as we should have. And we're certainly going to change that narrative in the future. We're going to start boasting that Burnaby is a great city .. and breakaway from that Vancouver trajectory," said Mike Hurley.

Hurley also said he would talk with Shape Properties about more branding for Burnaby on its development something Kwiatkowski could be amenable to, given his enthusiasm for the city's overall transformation.

"They've done a fantastic job of kind of planning sustainable growth. That strategy of identifying town centres which protect single-family neighborhoods ... has really resulted in a really livable community," Kwiatkowski said.

And it's likely many in Burnaby would agree with him, which leads us to the key question: should Burnaby residents be concerned with how the rest of Metro Vancouver perceives them anyway?

Even when The Amazing Brentwood is completed, the majority of residents will continue to live in single-family neighbourhoods with great parks, community centres, and relatively low property taxes.

It may not be amazing — but it certainly is ideal.


Metro Matters: On The Road is exploring how new city governments throughout B.C. are approaching age-old issues (some political, some not) in their communities.
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But I suppose you didn't tell the Ryerson students that you envision great changes in those areas in 5 years, did you? (Again, questioning nicely, with no ulterior motives)
Around Stadium-Chinatown and Main Street-Science World? Yes, and the vast empty parcels littered around demonstrate this. As for Commercial-Broadway? No, because the terrible Grandview-Woodland plan prevents it. I'm totally on board team make-Commercial-Broadway-a-real-TOD-node and think the Cambie Corridor (and likely the Broadway Corridor) totally missed the boat. It should be Marine Drive Stn and Oakridge stn scale and density the whole length from the Fraser to False Creek.

In my books, Cambie and Broadway should aspire to be nothing less than be a second Yonge and Bloor, and if Broadway could become one tenth the great street as Bloor, that would be simply incredible.

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On that regarding turning Broadway to be even remotely like Bloor, I totally agree with you. Bloor and particularly Yorkville Village (unlike our own downtown "villages") are growing and very liveable neighbourhoods lately: it can double as Toronto's second CBD.
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For such a massive development Shape has done a great job of making that stretch of Willingdon and Lougheed hospitable to pedestrians.
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On that regarding turning Broadway to be even remotely like Bloor, I totally agree with you. Bloor and particularly Yorkville Village (unlike our own downtown "villages") are growing and very liveable neighbourhoods lately: it can double as Toronto's second CBD.
Broadway/Cambie will never be like Bloor/Yong simiply because there is view cone restriction, height restriction. Not only that CoV never has the foresight to implement additional exits at this all important node to facilitate expansion,quite unlike Bloor/Yong which has multiple exits which allows easy access in all directions. A 50+ stories highrise will never happen on Broadway, whereas Bloor is zoned for skyscrapers.
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Broadway/Cambie will never be like Bloor/Yong simiply because there is view cone restriction, height restriction. Not only that CoV never has the foresight to implement additional exits at this all important node to facilitate expansion,quite unlike Bloor/Yong which has multiple exits which allows easy access in all directions. A 50+ stories highrise will never happen on Broadway, whereas Bloor is zoned for skyscrapers.

All of those reasons, while valid to explain why we don't see tall buildings there doesn't mean that tall buildings will "never" be there. Policies change.
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Broadway/Cambie will never be like Bloor/Yong simiply because there is view cone restriction, height restriction. Not only that CoV never has the foresight to implement additional exits at this all important node to facilitate expansion,quite unlike Bloor/Yong which has multiple exits which allows easy access in all directions. A 50+ stories highrise will never happen on Broadway, whereas Bloor is zoned for skyscrapers.
And Viewcones, my friend, is not something ordained by God.
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And Viewcones, my friend, is not something ordained by God.
Doubt they will change their rule, don't forget Vancouver City Hall is right there. can't possibly block its view! As for Cambie it is mostly build out with medium rise condos, with the exception of Oakridge/41st. I would compare Cambie to Yong, Broadway to Bloor. But Broadway is nowhere even close to Yorkville.
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Have people started moving in already? I see a lot of lights on the upper floors since last few days. Haven't seen the light feature mentioned though.
Tower one doesn't have it's occupancy permit yet. The last e-mail I got from them was it's coming mid-September with rental move-ins starting shortly thereafter.
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Tower one doesn't have it's occupancy permit yet. The last e-mail I got from them was it's coming mid-September with rental move-ins starting shortly thereafter.
--> is this suggesting/saying renters get to move in earlier than homeowners? If thats the case that's super, super lame.
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Tower one doesn't have it's occupancy permit yet. The last e-mail I got from them was it's coming mid-September with rental move-ins starting shortly thereafter.
--> is this suggesting/saying renters get to move in earlier than homeowners? If thats the case that's super, super lame.
Less and less amazing as time drags on ........
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Tower one doesn't have it's occupancy permit yet. The last e-mail I got from them was it's coming mid-September with rental move-ins starting shortly thereafter.
--> is this suggesting/saying renters get to move in earlier than homeowners? If thats the case that's super, super lame.
Why is that "super lame"? How dare those awful renters get to move in first.
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Why is that "super lame"? How dare those awful renters get to move in first.
Because it does not make financial sense. Renters typically short term, needs tons of processing including credit history check, in return for relatively small monthly rental payment. Whereas owners pay Shape the entire amount. Owners have been waiting for many years already.
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Don't forget many homeowners might be renters themselves, paying rent while waiting for this project to complete.
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