The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 646

Chadillaccc · #**12901** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 2:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by FrAnKs

The Tramway & Trambus network - Québec City

Source : https://www.rtcquebec.ca/rtc/aucoeurdumouvement/pdf/Trac%C3%A9%20du%20r%C3%A9seau%20structurant.pdf

Underground station :

*starry eyed* Hell freakin yeah! This looks incredible. Bien joué, Ville Quebec!

Nouvellecosse · #**12902** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 2:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by FrAnKs

A trambus doesnt have overhead wires. The engine of trambus is 100% electric but you can drive it like a regular bus.

So is this just a normal electric bus that they're calling a trambus to sound fancy, or is it one of those kitschy things that have special styling and covered wheels to disguise it as an actual tram? I hoping it's the former.

FrAnKs · #**12903** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 2:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

So is this just a normal electric bus that they're calling a trambus to sound fancy, or is it one of those kitschy things that have special styling and covered wheels to disguise it as an actual tram? I hoping it's the former.

I'm afraid it's the second option...

FrAnKs · #**12904** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 2:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

*starry eyed* Hell freakin yeah! This looks incredible. Bien joué, Ville Quebec!

Dont rush yourself to come eh. It will be all ready by 2026 (if everything is going well).

GreaterMontréal · #**12905** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 2:19 AM**

Trambus : 150 passengers, 24m long

http://www.reseaustructurant.info/reseau/#trambus

Urbain · #**12906** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 3:10 AM**

Trambus

From the Journal de Québec

Here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AMKBM79LM_I

Dengler Avenue · #**12907** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 3:30 AM**

So what happened to Quebec City's tramway?

GreaterMontréal · #**12908** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 3:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

So what happened to Quebec City's tramway?

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The Tramway & Trambus network - Québec City

CityTech · #**12909** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 4:19 AM**

Sounds like the trambus will be a sort of guided bus concept, like they have in Eindhoven, Istanbul, and Haifa.

Urbain · #**12910** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 4:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by CityTech

Sounds like the trambus will be a sort of guided bus concept, like they have in Eindhoven, Istanbul, and Haifa.

It's not a guided bus concept, it's more like the Mettis from Metz in France but the Trambus from Québec It's going to be electric ... .

SpongeG · #**12911** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 7:21 AM**

confederation line ride

• Video Link

FrAnKs · #**12912** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 11:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urbain

It's not a guided bus concept, it's more like the Mettis from Metz in France but the Trambus from Québec It's going to be electric ... .

Yup, but I believe ours will be on an slighty elevated platform compared to the rest of the road.

Dengler Avenue · #**12913** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 12:13 PM**

I just noticed an issue: Why is neither Tramway nor Trambus going to the airport?

niwell · #**12914** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 1:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I just noticed an issue: Why is neither Tramway nor Trambus going to the airport?

It doesn't necessarily make intuitive sense, but airports are actually fairly poor trip generators. Particularly in smaller centres. For most groups of travelers a taxi/ride-share is cheaper and less work with baggage. Business travelers will do the same unless it's a big city and some form of (usually expensive) express rail is faster. Individuals returning home and airport workers are more likely to take transit, however their destination isn't always downtown. A transit link to the airport is always desirable, but may not be the best routing for transit users.

Although Quebec is a major tourist destination I suspect that driving to most hotels is easy enough from the airport, and in terms of direct transit link a bus would suffice.

hipster duck · #**12915** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 1:44 PM**

They really need to cut down the number of stations on the QC tramway. As is, I don’t see how this is very time competitive with a bus, let alone a car. They also don’t need an underground station between Place d’Youville and Grand Theatre. That alone could save a hundred million dollars.

MalcolmTucker · #**12916** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by milomilo

At the least just allow multiple companies to set up infrastructure. But that's obviously stupid when you could just mandate the monopoly has to provide service to all and forgo a little payment.

Sometimes there are huge cost implications of it, and if you left it as non-exclusive but everyone needs to pay their own way, there would be no coverage. Also there is the possibility of first mover advantage - there just isn't the support infrastructure in place to easily install more than one provider, so late movers end up needing to pay a lot more.

And coordinating the CRTC to make decisions for service in stations and or tunnels with the interest of the tunnel owners, that is something that is super hard. And they would be a bit gun-shy of bidding as a consortium to share equipment due to competition rules.

MalcolmTucker · #**12917** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 3:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by hipster duck

They really need to cut down the number of stations on the QC tramway. As is, I don’t see how this is very time competitive with a bus, let alone a car. They also don’t need an underground station between Place d’Youville and Grand Theatre. That alone could save a hundred million dollars.

But then the station would be further away from the convention centre and the national assembly. Can't have that

J.OT13 · #**12918** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 3:41 PM**

The first ever train in service at the new Bayview Station. Lower level Trillium Line.

https://twitter.com/JimWatsonOttawa

J.OT13 · #**12919** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 3:50 PM**

I agree, for Québec City, 35 stations on 26 kilometers is a little much. I would probably maintain all of the proposed underground stations: these are your commercial, cultural and tourism sectors, you do not want to under-build like the Canada Line, and I suspect the Confederation Line (we shall see in a few weeks). The north and west (up until la Pôle uLaval) could stand to lose a few stations and re-align others.

milomilo · #**12920** Posted **Aug 28, 2019, 3:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Sometimes there are huge cost implications of it, and if you left it as non-exclusive but everyone needs to pay their own way, there would be no coverage. Also there is the possibility of first mover advantage - there just isn't the support infrastructure in place to easily install more than one provider, so late movers end up needing to pay a lot more.

And coordinating the CRTC to make decisions for service in stations and or tunnels with the interest of the tunnel owners, that is something that is super hard. And they would be a bit gun-shy of bidding as a consortium to share equipment due to competition rules.

So would you be happy with a solution where only roughly half of the population gets service in the tunnel? What's wrong with doing it the way STM did? A subway is a public service, not an entity designed for profit and I can't see the foregone revenue being that important.

I can totally believe that the CRTC would be completely useless in helping in a situation like this, as their unofficial role is to make the market as bad for the consumer as possible.