Canadian Airport Thread

[nname]

Air Canada announces new routes YYZ-SJC and YUL-SEA. Both routes year-round daily with A220, starting May 4

AC564 SEA0835 - 1634YUL 223 D
AC565 YUL1755 - 2045SEA 223 D

AC765 YYZ0855 - 1128SJC 223 D
AC766 SJC1215 - 2110YYZ 223 D

Seating is 12C 125Y, Economy seat pitch is 30 in.

That turnaround at SJC seems extremely tight though...

Reservation had been opened, but not shown on schedule yet. I guess AC now move their weekly schedule update to Thursday night (instead of Monday night) while the new route announcement remains on Wednesday so information won't be leaked out?

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-08-...rated-With-Game-Changing-Airbus-A220-300

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

Air Canada announces new routes YYZ-SJC and YUL-SEA.

[thenoflyzone]

In other news, Norwegian is ending all 737 transatlantic routes, including YHM-DUB. This, not only untill the MAX is back in the air, but apparently indefinately.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/08...air-to-discontinue-transatlantic-routes/

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

In other news, Norwegian is ending all 737 transatlantic routes, including YHM-DUB. This, not only untill the MAX is back in the air, but apparently indefinately.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/08...air-to-discontinue-transatlantic-routes/

Hamilton can't catch a break with flights.
Every time they make a move and get something, they seem to lose it the following year.

Hope they can get swoop to grow there, if Swoop gets more planes.

[wave46]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

In other news, Norwegian is ending all 737 transatlantic routes, including YHM-DUB. This, not only untill the MAX is back in the air, but apparently indefinately.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/08...air-to-discontinue-transatlantic-routes/

Given that WOW airlines folded earlier this year and now Norwegian has given up, the economics of narrowbody long-haul don't seem to be that good.

Yes, there's cases like Icelandair (enabled by geography) and some North American/European airlines doing it as a niche side to their main operations, but apparently the advantage of narrowbody (737/A320) economics isn't enough of long-haul flights between smaller destinations.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by wave46

Given that WOW airlines folded earlier this year and now Norwegian has given up, the economics of narrowbody long-haul don't seem to be that good.

Yes, there's cases like Icelandair (enabled by geography) and some North American/European airlines doing it as a niche side to their main operations, but apparently the advantage of narrowbody (737/A320) economics isn't enough of long-haul flights between smaller destinations.

Narrowbody TransAt ops work very well with the 757. My hope is that the A321LR proves itself to be a great 757 replacement.

We will have to wait to see what Boeing comes up with for the NMA/797 type. The max10 max9 option is not that feasible.

The other thing to keep in mind, I believe its the ULCC business model that doesn't work with TransAt ops rather than a narrow vs wide split. Specifically the lack of a first class or true premium cabin experience is what causes these ULCC's to not work out.

I account for Rouge's success WRT lack of true premium cabin by pointing out that the linkup with mainline. A business cabin frequent flyer that uses Other Peoples Money for Signature Suite will buy Rouge Premium to take the family on European vacation.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by nname

Air Canada announces new routes YYZ-SJC and YUL-SEA. Both routes year-round daily with A220, starting May 4

AC564 SEA0835 - 1634YUL 223 D
AC565 YUL1755 - 2045SEA 223 D

AC765 YYZ0855 - 1128SJC 223 D
AC766 SJC1215 - 2110YYZ 223 D

Seating is 12C 125Y, Economy seat pitch is 30 in.

That turnaround at SJC seems extremely tight though...

Reservation had been opened, but not shown on schedule yet. I guess AC now move their weekly schedule update to Thursday night (instead of Monday night) while the new route announcement remains on Wednesday so information won't be leaked out?

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-08-...rated-With-Game-Changing-Airbus-A220-300

Regarding the tight turn-around in San Jose, agreed. That's rarely going to be departing on time. With that said, I was surprised how quickly my A223 flight on Swiss from Geneva to LHR a couple years ago unloaded. My hunch is that 5 seats per row, wide aisles, and gigantic overhead bins all add up to significantly faster disembarking. People aren't fighting with their bags in the overhead bins, they just pull out their roller bags in one motion, and the aisle is wide enough for someone to scootch past if someone is half-standing in the row gathering their things. Anyway, the A223 is an amazing plane and I cannot wait for it to join the AC fleet.

[nname]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Regarding the tight turn-around in San Jose, agreed. That's rarely going to be departing on time.

Maybe they'll upgrade the morning flight from YVR to 223? The current arrival time for morning YVR flight is just after 11, so it gives about 1hr turnaround for 1215 departure to YYZ.

Currently the morning flight is closed to booking as of May... Or maybe AC is just giving the noon slot to YYZ, but I don't think SJC is slot-constrained?

[Cage]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Regarding the tight turn-around in San Jose, agreed. That's rarely going to be departing on time. With that said, I was surprised how quickly my A223 flight on Swiss from Geneva to LHR a couple years ago unloaded. My hunch is that 5 seats per row, wide aisles, and gigantic overhead bins all add up to significantly faster disembarking. People aren't fighting with their bags in the overhead bins, they just pull out their roller bags in one motion, and the aisle is wide enough for someone to scootch past if someone is half-standing in the row gathering their things. Anyway, the A223 is an amazing plane and I cannot wait for it to join the AC fleet.

A 45 min turn around is entirely doable for an airport like SJC and an airplane like the A223. The airplane will rarely need a wash and shine in SJC and its probable the YYZ departure is padded such that the inbound will arrive early on most days.

[nname]

Seems like YUL will be the first hub where the A220 will be based in, followed by YYZ.

Current first flight is scheduled on AC317 YUL-YYC on Jan 27. I can't find an earlier one.

Other A220 routes:

YUL-YEG from Mar 5
YUL-LGA from Mar 5
YYZ-YEG from Mar 6 to Apr 3
YUL-YWG from Apr 5

[thenoflyzone]

I just love the fact that the very same plane Boeing tried to kill, the CSeries, will end up flying to their HQ from BBD’s HQ !

You couldn’t have written this any better.

[SpongeG]

Very disappointed': Swoop cancels more flights following bird strike, maintenance

The airline cancelled 30 flights during the first 10 days of July alone
Dan Taekema · CBC News · Posted: Aug 15, 2019


Yet another Swoop flight out of Hamilton has been cancelled, stranding passengers planning to travel to British Columbia. (Chris Squires)

Cancellations and flight delays continue to plague Swoop following a bird strike in London, Ont. and unscheduled maintenance in Winnipeg.

The low-cost airline says it grounded flights from Hamilton to Abbotsford, B.C. and back again Wednesday and is warning travellers about "unscheduled maintenance" on a plane in Winnipeg which means the Thursday-night round-trip flight from Hamilton to Las Vegas has also been cancelled.

"It will take several days to get all impacted travellers to their destinations as there are no current additional aircraft available," stated the airline in an email to CBC News.

"In addition to the cancellation of yesterday's Hamilton-Abbotsford return flight there will be ongoing impacts to the network until maintenance is completed in Winnipeg and that aircraft has returned to service."

News of this latest cancellations follow frustration and confusion sparked by a rash of 30 cancellations the airline made during the first 10 days in July that left some customers paying out-of-pocket to salvage travel plans.

...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/swoop-abbotsford-delay-1.5247483

[SpongeG]

Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route

Maureen O'Hare, CNN • Published 16th August 2019

(CNN) — The globe is criss-crossed a million times over with flight routes, buzzing with planes throughout the day.
Sometimes market forces and competitive advantage come together to make some routes more lucrative than others.
One route stands out from all the rest, the only one to break the billion-dollar barrier: British Airways' service between London Heathrow and New York's JFK.

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Best of the rest
Qantas Airways' domestic service between Melbourne and Sydney is second on the list, generating more than $861 million a year.

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Air Canada's Vancouver to Toronto service squeaked into the top 10, with annual revenue of $541 million dollars.

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Highest-revenue routes by airline: April 2018 -- March 2019
1. British Airways: New York JFK -- London Heathrow (Total revenue: $1,159,126,794 / revenue per hour: $27,159)
2. Qantas Airways: Melbourne -- Sydney (Total revenue: $861,260,322 / revenue per hour: $23,773)
3. Emirates: London Heathrow -- Dubai International (Total revenue: $796,201,645 / revenue per hour: $24,926)
4. Singapore Airlines: London Heathrow -- Singapore Changi (Total revenue: $735,597,614 / revenue per hour: $18,771)
5. United Airlines: San Francisco International -- Newark (Total revenue: $689,371,368 / revenue per hour: $12,882)
6. American Airlines: Los Angeles LAX -- New York JFK (Total revenue: $661,739,788 / Revenue per hour: $13,099)
7. Qatar Airways: London Heathrow -- Hamad International (Total revenue: $639,122,609 / revenue per hour: $20,415)
8. Cathay Pacific Airways: Hong Kong International -- London Heathrow (Total revenue: $604,595,063 / revenue per hour: $13,887)
9. Singapore Airlines: Sydney -- Singapore Changi (Total revenue: $549,711,946 / revenue per hour: $20,821)
10. Air Canada: Vancouver YVR -- Toronto Pearson International (Total revenue: $541,122,509 / revenue per hour: $11,936)

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/highest-revenue-airline-routes/index.html

[Nicko999]

The 2 richest and most powerful cities in the world, no surprise really.

What is surprising is to see Melbourne-Sydney 2nd and Montreal-Toronto not in the top 10.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Nicko999

The 2 richest and most powerful cities in the world, no surprise really.

What is surprising is to see Melbourne-Sydney 2nd and Montreal-Toronto not in the top 10.

MEL-SYD is huge. It's the second busiest air route in the world, after Jeju-Seoul in S. Korea.

The list above is about airport pairs, not city pairs. It's also about 1 airlines' revenue on the route. It's not about total revenue on the route.

Toronto-Montreal is big as well, but AC (the largest carrier on the city-pair) splits its ops between YYZ and YTZ.

QF has a higher frequency and bigger metal on MEL-SYD compared to AC on YYZ-YUL.

Btw, both Melbourne-Sydney and Montreal-Toronto lack a high speed rail, as the trains that service both routes run at 100-110 mph at most.

[nname]

WS had applied for scheduled service between Canada and Honduras using large aircraft.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2019-153

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by nname

WS had applied for scheduled service between Canada and Honduras using large aircraft.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2019-153

Would this be for a potential Roatan route on the 767 or 787 (or is the term “large aircraft” meaning generally just any non prop aircraft?) from YYZ or YYC?

[Dirt_Devil]

Can anyone tell me what's going on with YYJ??

http://www.victoriaairport.com/pdfs/stats/July_2019_Traffic_Summary_Stats.pdf

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Dirt_Devil

Can anyone tell me what's going on with YYJ??

http://www.victoriaairport.com/pdfs/stats/July_2019_Traffic_Summary_Stats.pdf

Probably Max related reductions, plus no more Flair to YEG and UAx to SFO.

[TheGreatestX]

^On the plus side, AC resumes Victoria-Edmonton in May