YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[lubicon]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The Saab is a perfect sized aircraft for some of the interior routes. Next up YKA and YYF probably.

You mean from YVR right? Both cities already served by Encore via YYC.

[Hot Rod]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Actually, LAX had non stop service to Africa from December 2018 until very recently, when Ethiopian canceled their LAX service.

Briefly, they were a 6 continent airport.

https://onemileatatime.com/lax-nonstop-flight-africa/

Flight was direct via Dublin, not non-stop from LA.

[TheGreatestX]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

Flight was direct via Dublin, not non-stop from LA.

Read the article more carefully.

[trofirhen]

Regarding all this, please permit me ... if Vancouver got TK to Istanbul, and same-plane service to Addis Abbaba, we'd be laughing! but of course the YVR market is nowhere large enough.

[Coldrsx]

Favourite story...'oops, we didn't think of climate change'.

[nname]

Originally Posted by nname

AC is currently updating secondary Mexico and Hawaii service through the peak holiday season till Jan 8.

All the Hawaii routes updated so far had been switched to mainline 767, all Mexico routes switch to a mix of 319 and 320. Some routes with delayed start for seasonal service.

[EDIT] Updated for KOA and CUN

For YVR service:

HNL - daily 767
OGG - daily 767
KOA - 2x weekly Rouge 767, move to morning flight
LIH - suspended

CUN - 3x weekly Rouge 767
SJD - up to 6x weekly 319/320, with delayed/slower ramp up
PVR - up to daily 319/320, with delayed/slower ramp up
ZIH - up to 3x weekly 319/320, with delayed/slower ramp up

Note that for the ZIH case, the frequency will start with as low as every other weeks at the beginning of the season

The Rouge will operate out of YYZ, 5x weekly early morning to YVR and red-eye back to YYZ.

Seems like AC updated the entire winter schedule. For YVR MAX services from Jan 9 till the end of winter season in April:

Hawaii: Same as above

CUN - 3x weekly Rouge 767
PVR - 4x weekly 320
SJD - 3x weekly 320
ZIH - 2x weekly 320

Basically removal of a 319 plane from the Christmas schedule.

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S20 changes so far:

ZRH - Upgauge from 788 to 789

[osirisboy]

Sorry, does s20 mean spring or summer?

[stiffdeadman]

no surprise that air canada is deploying it's first couple of A220's back east. toronto to san jose and montreal to seattle. so we won't see it in yvr for awhile. i'd be tempted to try out the flight out of seattle but unfortunately in typical air canada fashion it's damn expensive. close to $800 roundtrip in economy. not exactly a welcoming introductory fare.

[nname]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Sorry, does s20 mean spring or summer?

Summer 2020

Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

no surprise that air canada is deploying it's first couple of A220's back east. toronto to san jose and montreal to seattle. so we won't see it in yvr for awhile. i'd be tempted to try out the flight out of seattle but unfortunately in typical air canada fashion it's damn expensive. close to $800 roundtrip in economy. not exactly a welcoming introductory fare.

The A220 should be first deployed to existing domestic routes as early as Jan 2020. These are the first two *new* routes to be operated by A220. I think by May, AC should already have more than 2 A220s?

[connect2source]

Link to dedicated Air Canada A220 webpage, interior photos, details on launch routes and product.

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet/a220.html

Extensive discussion going on on Airliners.net right now about launch, routes, product.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1429215

[nname]

Air Canada just posted the route changes until January due to MAX grounding:

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home...d-updates/2019/737-airspace-closure.html

Most of the changes had been posted earlier in this thread. Noticed that the "Reduced from" number was from the increase original planned for this winter, instead of the frequency of last winter. However, this increase was never officially announced...

Oh, and they missed SJD

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Link to dedicated Air Canada A220 webpage, interior photos, details on launch routes and product.

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet/a220.html

Extensive discussion going on on Airliners.net right now about launch, routes, product.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1429215

Surprising YVR isn't even getting a sniff of the A220 in its opening, not even on domestic routes.

I wonder how long AC will wait to open an A220 pilot base here, or if it is even still in the plans.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I wonder how long AC will wait to open an A220 pilot base here, or if it is even still in the plans.

After AC got more planes. It wouldn't make sense for them to have only 5 A220s and operate them out of 3 or 4 bases?

Notice that the majority of A220 runs out of YUL (for the obvious reason). Even YYZ only got 1 plane for 1 month only.

So from the current schedule, it seems like

Jan 16 to Mar 4: 1 plane
YUL- 1

Mar 5 to Apr 4: 4 planes
YUL- 3, YYZ- 1

Apr 5 to Apr 30: 4 planes
YUL- 4

By the way, currently for Summer 2020, YVR-BOS, 1 of the 2 daily ORD, 2 of the 3 daily SJC/DEN/YQR/YXE, 2 of the 4 daily YXY are not open for reservation. So watch these routes and maybe you'll see an A220 pops up one day

[POCO]

Maybe year-round Orlando?

[s211]

Is there any chance of an AC metal upgrade for Vancouver to Chicago? Those Jazz cigar tubes just don't cut it.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by s211

Is there any chance of an AC metal upgrade for Vancouver to Chicago? Those Jazz cigar tubes just don't cut it.

Once the A220s arrive and are added to the YVR pilot base; there should be an upgrade to YVR-ORD.

The CR9s are on the route because of the lack of pilot base for the E75 & E90.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Cage

Once the A220s arrive and are added to the YVR pilot base; there should be an upgrade to YVR-ORD.

The CR9s are on the route because of the lack of pilot base for the E75 & E90.

United seems to be able to get away with 320s, or variants thereof. Why AC seems to cling to the cigar tubes for a flight of that length escapes me.

And from what I've seen of the A220 business class seats, let alone steerage, they look hard as concrete. That's one plane I could do without.

[nname]

Originally Posted by s211

United seems to be able to get away with 320s, or variants thereof. Why AC seems to cling to the cigar tubes for a flight of that length escapes me.

And from what I've seen of the A220 business class seats, let alone steerage, they look hard as concrete. That's one plane I could do without.

It's just like how AC was able to run 6x daily with variants of A320 on YVR-LAX, but UA only runs multiple daily CRJs.

And eventually all A320 would retires, and AC would never put widebodies on YVR-ORD... that leaves only CRJ, A220, MAX, or Rouge. Out of those, I'd pick the 220 on any day

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by s211

Is there any chance of an AC metal upgrade for Vancouver to Chicago? Those Jazz cigar tubes just don't cut it.

This again? Spoke about this a month ago. Plus what Cage said is correct.

Originally Posted by s211

United seems to be able to get away with 320s, or variants thereof. Why AC seems to cling to the cigar tubes for a flight of that length escapes me.

And from what I've seen of the A220 business class seats, let alone steerage, they look hard as concrete. That's one plane I could do without.

What’s with all the hate for Bombardier metal?
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Need I remind you AA switched their year round mainline YVR-ORD to seasonal because it was underperforming.
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United can make A320s work because they have a hub in ORD where YVR passengers can easily connect onto several dozen destinations (not served from YVR) on the US east coast, Caribbean, Europe, South America, etc.

AC cannot duplicate that through YVR, simply because ORD is well served to the US west coast and East Asia via United, so AC & star A at YVR dont offer much in terms of unserved destinations from ORD. To top it off, NZ now does AKL-ORD and QF will begin BNE-ORD next April. So the lands down under are also covered. This all means that the bread and butter of AC on YVR-ORD is O&D traffic. An A320 is too big. The E-jets either can’t cross the Rockies or are based out east.

Enter the CRJ9. Next step would likely be the A220.

But since you don’t like either plane, guess you’re 🞵🞵🞵🞵 outta luck. Maybe your luck will change when AC and UA get approval for their elusive JV across the Canada/US border. That’s the only way I see an AC A320 on YVR-ORD.

[connect2source]

Jetlines had re-branded. They hired Quebec firm Cossette, looks very sharp and current IMO>

https://www.underconsideration.com/brand...very_for_canada_jetlines_by_cossette.php