Ride-hailing in Metro Vancouver: Uber, Lyft, Sidecar - emerging technologies

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

weird,

Banned in B.C.: Riding an e-scooter could cost you $600

Yeah, I don't know how Lime thinks they'll be able to deploy a service whose users would be breaking the law.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Yeah, I don't know how Lime thinks they'll be able to deploy a service whose users would be breaking the law.

Same way mobi operates now that all the helmets are gone.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Same way mobi operates now that all the helmets are gone.

They're just distributing a new design of helmet.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Yeah, I don't know how Lime thinks they'll be able to deploy a service whose users would be breaking the law.

Same way Chinese Uber operates without interruption.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Same way mobi operates now that all the helmets are gone.

difference is they are providing something legal.

that whole business premise is against the law... i am curious to know how this will work...

[Sheba]

Ride-hailing to hit B.C. streets by September, province says

The province has unveiled the final pieces of its ride-hailing puzzle which will finally allow services like Uber and Lyft to hit B.C. streets.

North Vancouver-Lonsdale MLA Bowinn Ma announced on behalf of the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, that ICBC has completed the insurance portion of the proposed legislation, and the Passenger Transportation Board will be able to take applications from ride services companies starting Sept. 3.

Last November, the province's proposed legislation received royal assent. The amendments, which will significantly expand the power of the Passenger Transportation Board to determine fares, as well as the number of licensed vehicles in each region or area, have now been passed by order in council.

Today, Ma said the board will start assessing licence applications in early September with the final regulations coming into effect Sept. 16.

Application processing time will be anywhere from two weeks to a month, the ministry estimates.

"We fully expect that people will be able to hail a ride through this new industry — the Transportation Network Service industry — by the end of the year," said Ma in a teleconference.

Another part of the legislation to ensure passenger safety, said the ministry, is the need for all ride service drivers to have a Class 4 licence, which means drivers will have to provide an ICBC driver abstract, as well as a police criminal record check.

"The Class 4 requirement is not negotiable for us," said Ma.

Taxi companies will also be required to pay 30 cents for every non-accessible trip completed in a vehicle without rear or side entries. The province says this is an important step in modernizing the taxi industry and supporting accessibility in our region.

The ministry will also require all drivers to have their vehicles inspected periodically under the Motor Vehicle Act. Any vehicles operating more than 40,000 kilometres per year will require inspection every six months. If fewer than 40,000 kilometres, vehicle inspections will be required every 12 months.

Ride hailing companies will be required to pay a $5,000 annual fee to operate, but the ministry said it still does not know if it will be more or less expensive to insure a ride hailing vehicle, compared to a taxi.

The Passenger Transportation Board is an independent tribunal in B.C. established under the Passenger Transportation Act. It makes decisions on applications relating to the licensing of taxis, limousines, shuttle vans, inter-city buses, and now, ride-hailing services in B.C.

[WarrenC12]

The devil is in the details, as always, but here we are, 2 months away...

[SpongeG]

Uber says it may not operate outside of Metro Vancouver due to driver shortage

Company says it will be difficult to offer service if drivers require Class 4 licences
The Canadian Press · Posted: Jul 25, 2019

Uber says it may not operate outside of Metro Vancouver if it can't get enough qualified drivers with a commercial licence in keeping with ride-hailing regulations set by the B.C. government.

Spokesperson Michael van Hemmen says the company's decision to launch will also be based on policies finalized in mid-August by the Passenger Transportation Board (PTB) on issues such as flexible pricing and boundaries.

The province has said ride-hailing drivers must have a Class 4 licence, like those held by taxi drivers, as opposed to the standard Class 5 licence held by most motorists in the province.

Van Hemmen says the licensing requirement will make it more difficult for Uber to operate in rural areas of the province, where fewer people hold a commercial Class 4 license.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/uber-vancouver-driver-shortage-1.5224674

[flipper316]

https://globalnews.ca/news/5751494/petition-class-4-licence-bc-rideshare-drivers/

[GeeCee]

Ah yes, "Stranded BC". I'll eat my hat if they weren't organized and paid for by the ride hailing industry (it is not sharing). Because these types of companies don't already ignore the rules and make congestion worse, better give them even freer reign to make our transportation situation even worse.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Ride-hailing generally takes from transit more-so than single vehicle owners.

Uber, Lyft say they help ease traffic congestion. New study says otherwise.
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it seems that there's a lot of evidence piling up about this. it will be interesting to see what happens in Vancouver with this. Vancouver is unique in a few aspects with transit growth and street network. time will tell.

[libtard]

Same can be said for Skip the Dishes, door dash, Uber eats

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by libtard

Same can be said for Skip the Dishes, door dash, Uber eats

Of which about four-fifths or more are on bikes, and so not usually part of regular congestion.

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Of which about four-fifths or more are on bikes, and so not usually part of regular congestion.

Maybe in Kits they are. It's definitely not the case for the rest of Metro Van.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by libtard

Same can be said for Skip the Dishes, door dash, Uber eats

these kinds of services, plus things like Walmart and Amazon food dilvery, remind me of the 1950s. milk/bread man, oil, coal etc man; everything driven/delivered to peoples houses. even think of online shopping as the same idea; more and more is being delivered to peoples homes, just like in the 1950s.

that is basically what these services are with a modern flare.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

Maybe in Kits they are. It's definitely not the case for the rest of Metro Van.

Not just Kitsilano, much of the CoV. Admittedly, things are probably different in Port Coq and other 'burbs.

Point I'm trying to make is that our take-out industry isn't going to affect traffic the same way ride hailing does.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Not just Kitsilano, much of the CoV. Admittedly, things are probably different in Port Coq and other 'burbs.

Point I'm trying to make is that our take-out industry isn't going to affect traffic the same way ride hailing does.

Even in Vancouver I’m willing to bet the majority of skip the dishes deliveries are made in a car. You’re really out to lunch if you think differently. And yes it is affecting traffic worse then ride sharing. At least with Uber there’s at least 2 people in the car. Skip the dishes only has a driver and a bunch of food.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by libtard

Even in Vancouver I’m willing to bet the majority of skip the dishes deliveries are made in a car. You’re really out to lunch if you think differently. And yes it is affecting traffic worse then ride sharing. At least with Uber there’s at least 2 people in the car. Skip the dishes only has a driver and a bunch of food.

Heh, I see what you did there. That said, one anecdote's as good as another, and most of the couriers I've seen had a bike and/or helmet.

And you're looking at the number of people in the car (not entirely true either - cabbies spend a considerable amount of time without passengers too) when you should really be looking at the number of cars. Food couriers don't need a car to do their job, and they serve a niche group that's too busy or too lazy to pick up their own order. Rideshare drivers DO need a car, and they'd serve every taxi passenger in the Lower Mainland... possibly every transit rider too, depending on how things go. That's a much bigger market.

If SkipTheDishes ever ends up being over 13% of all vehicle mileage like Uber/Lyft are in San Fran, we'll have a whole lot more problems than just extra traffic.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Heh, I see what you did there. That said, one anecdote's as good as another, and most of the couriers I've seen had a bike and/or helmet.

When a car is driving down the road, how do you know it's a delivery for Uber Eats or Skip The Dishes?

[flipper316]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...ling-vancouver-before-end-year-1.5243849
Wasn't this the same company crying and moaning and saying they're not gonna come here because they didn't like all the rules ie class 4 etc. Bunch of hypocrites. Really wish ride-hailing would just go away.