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Old Posted Aug 9, 2019, 1:02 AM
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LRT trial run hits 12 days at the end of Friday. Will it be ready for prime time?

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: August 8, 2019


After the 12th day of testing, will the City of Ottawa have a fully functional LRT system?

That will be the big question Friday when it comes to the $2.1-billion first phase of LRT.

The Rideau Transit Group (RTG), the builder of the 12.5-kilometre, 13-station rail line, is contractually obligated to complete 12 consecutive days of trial running before handing the LRT system to the city, which hopes to launch the transit service sometime in September.

The trial running began on July 29 after the city on July 27 confirmed that the infrastructure and trains were substantially complete.

Even before substantial completion happened, the city warned council that it wouldn’t provide updates during the 12-day trial, and it will only tell council how things went after the trial is over.

Running the LRT system for 12 straight days on the actual schedule OC Transpo will use is considered the last hurdle for RTG to clear before it has satisfied the construction part of the contract. The company — a partnership of ACS Infrastructure, EllisDon and SNC-Lavalin — also has a 30-year agreement to maintain the LRT line under the name Rideau Transit Maintenance (RTM).

An independent certifier will decide if RTG has passed the 12-day test. The certifier has been observing the trial as a member of a review team with representatives from RTG, RTM and the city.

Once the certifier has verified that RTG has met all the requirements for the handover, the city will accept the LRT system and prepare the public launch, and RTG can receive its final construction payment of $202.3 million.

RTG has identified Aug. 16 as the revenue service availability date — in other words, the handover deadline to the city. If the company misses that date, the city can apply a $1-million penalty under the project agreement. The city has already applied $1-million penalties for each of the cancelled handovers on May 24, 2018, Nov. 2, 2018 and March 31, 2019.

There wasn’t much breathing room for RTG to find a major deficiency during the 12-day test and still meet its Aug. 16 handover deadline.

If a major deficiency comes up during the 12-day trial, the problem must be fixed and the trial clock resets to Day 1. Deficiencies considered minor are allowed during the trial.

Transportation general manager John Manconi has repeatedly told council members that he won’t water down RTG’s delivery requirements and would hold the company to its commitments in the project agreement.

When the handover does happen, the city and Transpo will need up to four weeks to make the LRT system ready for the public.

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I heard on the radio this morning that the 12 days of testing has been "delayed for at least 3 days". Don't know which radio station and I wasn't able to find any reference online, which happens a lot when hearing news on the radio during morning rush hour.

Maybe it's just delayed 3 days, or maybe they'll drag this on, a few days at a time, for a couple months, just like they dragged on substantial completion, a few months at a time, for over a year.
     
     
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I heard on the radio this morning that the 12 days of testing has been "delayed for at least 3 days". Don't know which radio station and I wasn't able to find any reference online, which happens a lot when hearing news on the radio during morning rush hour.

Maybe it's just delayed 3 days, or maybe they'll drag this on, a few days at a time, for a couple months, just like they dragged on substantial completion, a few months at a time, for over a year.
Here's an article from 1310 News about it.

https://www.ottawamatters.com/local-news/light-rail-testing-delayed-by-at-least-three-days-1631310
     
     
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I want to maintain anonymity so I don't want to say too much, but I'm on the OC Transpo side of things and my team has been monitoring trains every weekday to track operational requirements' compliance. I haven't been officially told what the status of the 12 day testing is. We were originally scheduled to monitor operations last week and this week, and we've now added next week to our schedule, so take that for what it's worth.
     
     
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Good Day.

@ Hybrid247 - Thank You, we do appreciate it. This is info worth having.

<sigh> . No Surprise.

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On CFRA this morning it was said that a timing issue has been discovered with the trains (meaning controls I'm sure) and that 3 additional days have been added. They also said it's not a serious concern, which I guess means they think they don't have to reset back to day 1.
     
     
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On CFRA this morning it was said that a timing issue has been discovered with the trains (meaning controls I'm sure) and that 3 additional days have been added. They also said it's not a serious concern, which I guess means they think they don't have to reset back to day 1.
I think this is good news. Today was suppose to be the 12th day of testing. Now they have added 3 more days. That means they have got through 9 days of testing without a major problem and with any luck at all will complete the next three. We have waited so long --three days sounds very good. fingerscrossed:

Let us all cross our fingers for the next three days.
     
     
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Portman: Ottawa's LRT reflects a total lack of transit vision

Jamie Protman
Ottawa Citizen Op-Ed
August 9, 2019


Back when I was living in Calgary, I was able to step out of my downtown apartment, board a train just minutes from the front door, and ride to work — for free.

From the beginning, and it’s still true today, Calgary’s light rail system has maintained a ride-free zone in its downtown corridor — an idea that would no doubt horrify Ottawa’s unimaginative city guardians, apart perhaps from freshman Coun. Shawn Menard, who has mused publicly about free bus travel along Bank Street.

But let’s face it: Innovation, common sense and credibility are little in evidence when it comes to our lumbering entry into the world of light rail. It’s become an embarrassment even before those malfunctioning trains get the chance to transport real passengers through an unnecessary downtown tunnel with problems of water leakage.

And in the meantime, conventional bus service has deteriorated so badly that regular users are enduring the torments of the damned, with the city essentially telling them to like it or lump it.

All this testifies to a wider problem: public distrust of City Hall. And now that LRT is happening (well, maybe), the public mood is closer to exasperation than celebration.

In truth, what is there to celebrate anyway? A city official’s recent comment in The Citizen typifies the Alice-In-Wonderland reasoning behind Ottawa’s notoriously belated embrace of rapid transit. Stephen Willis, the city’s general manager of planning, infrastructure and economic development, claimed that it’s all happening now because our population has finally reached a critical mass of one million. Is he serious?

Calgary had a population of approximately 600,000 when its trains started running. Within a decade, it had expanded its LRT network sufficiently to meet the public transit needs of the 1988 winter Olympics. All this happened with a fraction of the angst that has accompanied the launching of light rail in Ottawa. Calgarians felt they were part of the story; they did not have the sense of being shut out.

In addition to approving a free zone downtown, Calgary also rejected pressure to build an expensive underground tunnel through the city centre. The tracks were laid above ground, along 7th Avenue, a major downtown thoroughfare. It was a prudent economic decision at the time; furthermore, the city was also robustly asserting the primacy of public transit in the downtown core.

In contrast to places such as Calgary and Vancouver, Ottawa and the national capital region repeatedly reveal a failure of vision. Ours is also a city in which too much is attempted by stealth, and the secrecy surrounding Ottawa’s monstrously expensive LRT project is in a class by itself.

There’s no shortage of questions we can legitimately ask. Under what circumstances was the decision made to build a tunnel in the first place? What sort of discussion went on in those hush-hush negotiations that killed off plans for a Confederation Square station in favour of one at the Rideau Centre? Who dreamed up a future westward extension that snubs residents of Kanata and Stittsville by idiotically terminating at Moodie Drive? Who on Earth cooked up the notion of a future airport connection that would require two changes to get downtown, a journey that can sometimes be made in 15 minutes by cab? What forces led our city guardians to push through a decision to ignore unanswered questions and proceed with Stage 2 LRT — this at a time when alarm bells are still sounding over the rocky journey to completion of Stage 1?

Of course, maybe maybe good things will happen once the trains actually get rolling — even though it’s a bit much to expect that riders from West Ottawa will be overjoyed at the prospect of scrambling off their overcrowded express buses at Tunney’s Pasture to board an equally overcrowded train in order to travel their few remaining minutes into downtown Ottawa.

On a more positive note: More than 300,000 Calgarians use light rail every day. But that’s Calgary. Will the people of Ottawa show similar enthusiasm? We shall soon see.

Jamie Portman is a freelance journalist who formerly wrote for the Postmedia/CanWest News Service.
https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/column...-reflects-a-total-lack-of-transit-vision

First, I will concede that Ottawa's secretive, closed-doors approach to rail expansion has not been helpful. Public consultations were more like public "here's what we're doing, live with it!". Simple things like engaging the public in selecting the public art, the train designs, livery or being honest about the issues and delays would have gone a long way.

I also agree with the author that Calgary's decision to forgo a tunnel at the time was absolutely the right move. Over the almost 40 years after the original C-Train opened, they were able to expand the system at an impressive rate, to the point that the C-Train system (59.9 km) is not far behind Vancouver (79.6 km), Toronto (76.9 km) and Montreal (69.2 km) in length, though that will change in the next few years thanks to major expansions in those cities. And the Edmonton experience, where a tunnel was built when they were no much more than half a million, the system expanded at a very slow pace to a mere 21 kilometers today.

The difference between Ottawa in 2019 and Calgary in 1981 is that the Ottawa Metropolitan today area is 3 times the size of metro Calgary at the time. Calgary's 7th Avenue transit mall is today overcapacity, but they are unable to build a desperately needed tunnel because they are tied up in the Green Line (for which the tunnel portion is at risk. If the tunnel is removed, they can expect major capacity issues in the future on that Line as well).

Side note, the author also mentions Vancouver. When the Expo Line opened in the mid-80s, Vancouver was the size of Ottawa today. Both cities opted for grade separated, automated systems with downtown tunnels (though they were lucky enough to have a disused rail tunnel to work with).

As for the free-fare zone in Calgary, this is something that is easier, and makes much more sense for a surface system (downtown) with stops closer together. Very few people would use a subway to travel one or two stations down the line; the time to go down and up the stairs/escalators could make the trip longer than just walking. A fare-paid zone within a large subway station is also important for security reasons.

To answer a few of Mr. Portman's questions:

Under what circumstances was the decision made to build a tunnel in the first place?

The Chiarelli plan did not deal with the downtown capacity issues. During the 2006 election, the citizens of Ottawa overwhelmingly voted for candidates who wanted to build a downtown tunnel, including for O'Brien, who ultimately won the Mayor's race.

What sort of discussion went on in those hush-hush negotiations that killed off plans for a Confederation Square station in favour of one at the Rideau Centre?

This was an important change in order to reduce the cost of the tunnel. It also brings the station closer to where residents and tourists want to go; the Rideau Centre and Byward Market. It's ironic how, in the same opinion piece, one can criticize the City for building an expensive subway tunnel while also complaining about re-aligning that same subway tunnel to reduce the associated costs and risks.

Who dreamed up a future westward extension that snubs residents of Kanata and Stittsville by idiotically terminating at Moodie Drive?

You can't build an entire rapid transit system in one shot. Decisions were made based on costs, transit ridership, available corridors and other. It's much cheaper and easier to finish the east branch than the much longer and much more expensive west branch.

Who on Earth cooked up the notion of a future airport connection that would require two changes to get downtown, a journey that can sometimes be made in 15 minutes by cab?

Can't argue with that.

What forces led our city guardians to push through a decision to ignore unanswered questions and proceed with Stage 2 LRT — this at a time when alarm bells are still sounding over the rocky journey to completion of Stage 1?

Stage 1 is not sustainable as a long term solution. Council needed to approve Stage 2 in order to have a more complete system within a few years. Had we delayed or rejected Stage 2, we either would have been stuck with a stub of a system (similar to Edmonton or many American cities) that would have shed ridership from a discouraged population (similar to Ottawa Senators attendance) OR, a much more expansive system should we had started over the bidding process. I have serious questions about the Stage 2 procurement process, but we need to get moving.

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What a load.....

Aren’t journalists supposed to actually you know, research stuff? He could have spent an hour on this thread and answered all those questions.
     
     
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CBC article today. When the "timing" issues is being one train short on the line, it's not minor.

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LRT unlikely to be finished by next Friday, sources say

Joanne Chianello · CBC News · Posted: Aug 09, 2019 11:50 AM ET | Last Updated: 3 minutes ago

City refuses to say where RTG stands in 12-day testing, or whether it's on track for Aug. 16 deadline

A week before Rideau Transit Group (RTG) is supposed to deliver the $2.1-billion Confederation Line to the city, it's not clear how the 12-day trial of the 12.5-kilometre LRT system is proceeding, or whether the project will be finished by the Aug. 16 deadline.

Indeed, CBC sources familiar with the project say the light-rail handover will be more than a week late.

City agrees that the Confederation Line is substanitally complete
No LRT by Canada Day, city confirms
The consortium building the east-west LRT line — of which SNC-Lavalin is a key player — is more than a year late delivering the system that will run between Tunney's Pasture and Blair stations. It has missed four target dates so far and will be penalized $1 million for three of them.

Last winter, there were problems with the trains operating during winter storms, and more recently, issues with the brakes and doors on the Alstom Citiadis Spirit trains.

But last month, RTG said for the second time that the Confederation Line was substantially complete, meaning that all construction and systems testing was finished, and that the system was more or less ready for public use.

On July 27, the city agreed, triggering a $60-million payment to RTG.

Where is RTG in 12-day trial run?

The last major step is the 12-day trial run, where the Confederation Line is supposed to operate as if it's in full service without any major problems. If there is a major issue, the trial run is supposed to begin again at Day 1, although it's unclear exactly what circumstances would cause the clock to start over.

The trial officially began on Monday, July 29, according to John Manconi, the city's general manager of transit services. That means the 12th day should be Friday, Aug. 9.

But the city is refusing to answer any questions about the trial run, so it's impossible to know if the trial run is on Day 2 or Day 10.

However, according to CBC sources, there have been some hiccups in the trial run. Operations were suspended temporarily for a day or two and other issues come up daily. On Thursday, for example, only 14 trains were launched for morning rush hour instead of the required 15 because one train wasn't working properly.

When RTG says it's finished its 12-day simulation, an independent certifier will be asked to give it a stamp of approval before the city accepts the Confederation Line. It's now looking like that will occur closer to the end of the month.

Once the handover is complete, RTG will receive its final payment of $202 million, and the city will take about four weeks to prepare to launch the system for the public.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lr...trains-1.5241500?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar
     
     
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Under what circumstances was the decision made to build a tunnel in the first place?

The Chiarelli plan did not deal with the downtown capacity issues. During the 2006 election, the citizens of Ottawa overwhelmingly voted for candidates who wanted to build a downtown tunnel. The newly elected Mayor's top campaign promise was the downtown tunnel.
Yes, the Chiarelli plan did not deal with the downtown capacity issue, at least, not satisfactorily. There was a plan to cut buses by 30%, which would have given the city some temporary relief.

However, Larry O'Brien was not elected for his tunnel plan. That was of minor appeal to the general public. The biggest appeal was that he was a business man and he was going to run the city as a business, cutting costs without cutting services. This turned out to be total BS. Running municipal government does not allow the mayor to act as CEO but requires developing coalitions with councilors to get a certain plan implemented. The public loved the CEO aspect during the campaign but it turned into a fiasco, which was why he was kicked out of office at the next election. His transit plan also was a disaster through the Mayor's taskforce. Pretty well only his tunnel concept survived.
     
     
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Yes, the Chiarelli plan did not deal with the downtown capacity issue, at least, not satisfactorily. There was a plan to cut buses by 30%, which would have given the city some temporary relief.

However, Larry O'Brien was not elected for his tunnel plan. That was of minor appeal to the general public. The biggest appeal was that he was a business man and he was going to run the city as a business, cutting costs without cutting services. This turned out to be total BS. Running municipal government does not allow the mayor to act as CEO but requires developing coalitions with councilors to get a certain plan implemented. The public loved the CEO aspect during the campaign but it turned into a fiasco, which was why he was kicked out of office at the next election. His transit plan also was a disaster through the Mayor's taskforce. Pretty well only his tunnel concept survived.
On yeah, "Zero means Zero". THAT was his top campaign promise. I had a short lapse in memory when writing my piece. Only a fool would fall for such an unrealistic pitch, and many did.

For Chiarelli's 30% reduction in buses through downtown, most of that was from east-west cuts if I'm not mistaken. If we have to cut service to one end of the city (or two) in order to improve service for another, you need a longer term solution, and that's where the tunnel came in.

Transit was still a big election issue in 2006. I bet that's what ultimately placed Chiarelli in third place. I'll edit my post to better reflect history.
     
     
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On yeah, "Zero means Zero". THAT was his top campaign promise. I had a short lapse in memory when writing my piece. Only a fool would fall for such an unrealistic pitch, and many did.

For Chiarelli's 30% reduction in buses through downtown, most of that was from east-west cuts if I'm not mistaken. If we have to cut service to one end of the city (or two) in order to improve service for another, you need a longer term solution, and that's where the tunnel came in.

Transit was still a big election issue in 2006. I bet that's what ultimately placed Chiarelli in third place. I'll edit my post to better reflect history.
The 30% reduction was mainly going to be accomplished through the elimination of buses on the N-S corridor. But you are right, that some would have been cancelled from other parts of the city as well. Regardless, this happened anyways as we eliminated many express routes and reduced service through heavier use of large buses in the years since. So, the negatives ended up happening anyways.

The tunnel ultimately has proven the right move and we can doubt that Chiarelli was the right person to champion a downtown tunnel.

Transit was a fairly big issue but John Baird's interference was purely political back stabbing in the worst possible way. What he made public was so misleading and is included in every contract of this nature. We can also remember the secrecy issue of the 2006 contract. We have seen, that transit contracts are always secret. A lot of bogus nonsense was brought out to help O'Brien get elected in 2006. We have to remember, that it was Alex Munter that also had to be defeated and he was a strong candidate at that time, and gained more of the vote than Chiarelli.

But I will be honest here, we got two positives from O'Brien. We got the tunnel moving and we got the Lansdowne redevelopment started.
     
     
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I was too young to vote at the time, but followed the election closely. One of the most exciting for sure. Had I been of voting age, Munter would have been my choice for his transit promises, including the possibility of a tunnel, and his experience/knowledge of City Hall.

I agree that, despite his obvious flaws and the 4 years of chaos at City Hall, O'Brien should be commended for his accomplishments. Beyond just Lansdowne and the Confederation Line, he also had a hand in the new Convention Centre. I hope he'll be invited to the Confederation Line's opening to recognize his contribution.
     
     
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Yes, the Chiarelli plan did not deal with the downtown capacity issue, at least, not satisfactorily. There was a plan to cut buses by 30%, which would have given the city some temporary relief.

However, Larry O'Brien was not elected for his tunnel plan. That was of minor appeal to the general public. The biggest appeal was that he was a business man and he was going to run the city as a business, cutting costs without cutting services. This turned out to be total BS. Running municipal government does not allow the mayor to act as CEO but requires developing coalitions with councilors to get a certain plan implemented. The public loved the CEO aspect during the campaign but it turned into a fiasco, which was why he was kicked out of office at the next election. His transit plan also was a disaster through the Mayor's taskforce. Pretty well only his tunnel concept survived.
That’s your judgement. I specifically voted for O’Brien because of his transit plan. I thought it was ridiculous that the first LRT plan for the city was focused on North-South while the buses were bursting at the seam and we were already getting the bus parade at rush hour on Albert and Slater. Being Ottawa for a few months at that point, I was able to see how ridiculous Chiarelli’s plan was. O’Brien was the only politician running who had the cojones to call a spade what it was. Munter was equivocating too much for me.

And in hindsight, given the constraints on transit funding and the likelihood of that N-S line being relatively lower ridership, I am truly relieved that the plan got cancelled. Looking back, if that plan got built and significant ridership didn’t materialize, Ottawa would have been stuck with no more LRT investment for a generation. There’s absolutely no danger of that happening now. We’ve started on Stage II before Stage I is in service. O’Brien’s actions look even better today than they did then.

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that’s your judgement. i specifically voted for o’brien because of his transit plan. i thought it was ridiculous that the first lrt plan for the city was focused on north-south while the buses were bursting at the seam and we were already getting the bus parade at rush hour on albert and slater. He was the only politician running who had the cojones to call a spade what it was.
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However, according to CBC sources, there have been some hiccups in the trial run. Operations were suspended temporarily for a day or two and other issues come up daily. On Thursday, for example, only 14 trains were launched for morning rush hour instead of the required 15 because one train wasn't working properly.
I thought there were 4 extra trains to be used as spares??
     
     
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That’s your judgement. I specifically voted for O’Brien because of his transit plan. I thought it was ridiculous that the first LRT plan for the city was focused on North-South while the buses were bursting at the seam and we were already getting the bus parade at rush hour on Albert and Slater. Being Ottawa for a few months at that point, I was able to see how ridiculous Chiarelli’s plan was. O’Brien was the only politician running who had the cojones to call a spade what it was. Munter was equivocating too much for me.

And in hindsight, given the constraints on transit funding and the likelihood of that N-S line being relatively lower ridership, I am truly relieved that the plan got cancelled. Looking back, if that plan got built and significant ridership didn’t materialize, Ottawa would have been stuck with no more LRT investment for a generation. There’s absolutely no danger of that happening now. We’ve started on Stage II before Stage I is in service. O’Brien’s actions look even better today than they did then.
I am glad you are happy that we are still paying more and more for cancelling that project as we cobble together a poor facsimile of the original plan with each section costing much more than its superior 2006 counterpart. You happily cancelled out my vote that would have given us LRT 10 years ago, and reduced bus congestion downtown at the same time, also 10 years ago. You can believe the tripe that this would have stalled LRT for other parts of the city when it would have clearly demonstrated how LRT would speed up service for the 100,000 people who already live south of the Greenbelt + another 100,000 people who lived inside the Greenbelt. Believe what you would like. O'Brien was a neophyte who didn't know what he was doing at the time. I saw his performance at an all candidates meeting and didn't believe his zero means zero nonsense. Being a little more adept at the political game could have saved us $100M+ and got us the tunnel wish as well.
     
     
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I thought there were 4 extra trains to be used as spares??
There are two coupled train sets, but only one is a "hot spare".

Presumably "issue with the train" might mean "issue with the train control system" that prevented any of the extra trains from being sent out similar to what was happening earlier in the year.
     
     
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