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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 8:48 PM
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My half functioning place is the only free standing restaurant on that strip. This part of downtown is almost dead. Concentrate on Graham.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2019, 12:17 AM
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I'd take Graham & Kennedey first in a heartbeat. Graham is taking off and Donald is a wreck. I'd way rather have a mostly developed, active Graham (only 2 lots splitting Garry left) than barely move the needle on Donald.

We Don't have a single fully developed, bustling, active street in all of downtown. Filling in Graham should absolutely be the city and BIZ'S priority #1.

Donald needs so much work, money and time. Go for the lower hanging fruit.
     
     
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Any recent updates on Portage Place’s sale?
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2019, 11:40 AM
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i used to live at that big arts collective befor it closed down so we were neighbors for a few years
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2019, 10:53 PM
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So it appears as though the renderings we've seen of 200 Portage are likely not accurate. Standard Scotiabank design going up.

     
     
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That cladding looks so tired and dated next to 360 Main. I hope they start exterior renovations soon. Seems like they are waiting to sign new tenants first?
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That cladding looks so tired and dated next to 360 Main. I hope they start exterior renovations soon. Seems like they are waiting to sign new tenants first?
I agree, it has a very dingy and dated look. You can even still see the ghost of the old Scotiabank sign at the top.
     
     
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Photo update on Newport, there's workers on all 4 sides. Hate to be up there in this heat today.

     
     
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2019, 8:42 PM
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looks like ottawa is doing its utmost to fuck up the sale of portage place:

https://globalnews.ca/news/5712955/f...llion-penalty/
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2019, 8:50 PM
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^^^It's not a public fucking community centre......
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Ugh what a red herring. Just wait, they're going to make the case soon that a private development on this land would be racist.

^like you said, this isn't a community centre, and the way it's currently operating is a drag on the rejuvenation of downtown.
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looks like ottawa is doing its utmost to fuck up the sale of portage place:

https://globalnews.ca/news/5712955/f...llion-penalty/
Oh for fuck sakes...

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In recent weeks, a number of Indigenous and community groups expressed concern about the sale, saying Portage Place Mall has become an important neighbourhood gathering place.
Now, I've used Portage Place to meet before (when I still used to live in Winnipeg), but these groups have seen whats happened to Portage Place over the past couple of decades, right...?

The only thing Portage Place has anymore, is the food court, the fountain and the clock. Thats literally it. Shoplifting has destroyed multiple retailers in that mall, the dealing around its gotten insane, security is a joke, and there's almost no noteworthy retailers left (minus the Asian store on the 2nd floor) because everyone else has been scared off into greener commercial pastures... clearly the mall isn't doing well at all, anymore. The city knows that. The province knows that. Everyone that lives in Winnipeg or spent any time around Downtown, clearly knows that too. Plus there's no Indigenous anything within Portage Place. Last time I checked, Portage Place security throws out Aboriginals at random, there's no notable First Nations, Metis or Inuit events at the mall - and, there's also the fact that it's hard to turn that into a proper "community space", if the mall owners can't even be bothered to invest into their own property...

So this is my proposal:
- force the Federal government to greenlight the sale
- salvage/preserve the current Portage Place centre court
- transform part of that space into an actual Indigenous "community space", or better yet, use the surface parking lot north of Portage Place as an actual Indigenous community centre, or maybe even transplant Neechi Commons into that space, since they weren't "financially viable" on Main Street. That in itself, will give the Aboriginal and Metis community some space, AND provide a commercial incentive for Neechi Commons v2.0 (being away from Main Street, and in a secure building with ALOT more customer reach to make it financially viable).
- bulldoze the rest of Portage Place
- turn rest of Portage Place into condos and nightclubs
- force everyone else to either:
a) converge into CityPlace, and save that mall from Portage Place's fate
b) buy from retailers and go into the restaurants along Portage, Graham or Ellice
c) resurrect the "Promenade" and force some on-street retail, which Downtown Winnipeg desperately needs.

Results: a vibrant Downtown, revitalized Portage Place (I'd rename it "Portage Trail Complex"), CityPlace is spared certain retail death, the other places within a 10-block radius get a massive boost, the Aboriginal/Metis/Inuit community gets a massive boost as well, no more security issues, no more wasted WPS resources at the mall, no shoplifting either (as WPS would be on the streets around the mall, versus just sitting around drinking coffee, deterring more efficiently), and overall, everyone would be happier, and especially so, because the Federal government wouldn't screw up possibly THE greatest thing that could happen to Downtown Winnipeg, just in time for the 2020s.

Thoughts, anyone? Concerns? Or did I hit the nail, on this one?
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2019, 9:16 PM
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This is so problematic... There are so many hoops to jump through in any major development (zoning, design guidelines, proper density, etc.), but to have the Federal Government step in and say this development isn't going ahead until it includes what we say it has to is so inappropriate. If I was the developer that would freak me out and I'd want to get out of that situation before it became too late...

I understand when development attracts controversy over losing some sort of important public amenity like a park, library, community centre, etc. But like so many have already said, the owners could lock the doors to PP tomorrow and there isn't anything any level of government could do to stop it. Then what, instead of having good usable space the city is left with an ugly abandoned building and the people the feds are concerned about are in the exact same position. This isn't the same scenario as a city selling off an important public amenity to be turned into luxury condos.

Development has a way of attracting controversy in this city like I've never seen in any other city. I feel like 300 Main is the first project I can remember that has proceeded rather seamlessly.

Everyone on here is smart enough to know that there is no silver bullet to turning downtown Winnipeg into an enjoyable and liveable place but every bit helps, especially when the media is starting to ramp up coverage on how unsafe downtown wpg is.

Hopefully everything goes okay.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2019, 9:18 PM
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Oh for fuck sakes...
Thoughts, anyone? Concerns? Or did I hit the nail, on this one?
I don't necessarily agree with your proposal but I do agree that the feds are about to kamikaze one of the more important developments in Winnipeg this decade.
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2019, 9:18 PM
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looks like ottawa is doing its utmost to fuck up the sale of portage place:

https://globalnews.ca/news/5712955/f...llion-penalty/
I'm never voting Liberal ever again. Stupid Harper.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2019, 9:19 PM
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I truly don't understand this at all. Its a shopping centre. The current owner could shut down that food court tomorrow. The sale has nothing to do with an ability to protecting 'community space'. It a private business.

If you want community space, build it....don't rely on a food court in a mall to provide it.
     
     
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looks like ottawa is doing its utmost to fuck up the sale of portage place:

https://globalnews.ca/news/5712955/f...llion-penalty/
They asked for a "30 day delay", which IMO is more of a P.R. move to show the government is "sensitive" to the concerns of Indigenous groups. Personally I wouldn't doubt if the sale went through after some sort of concession is granted to the folks causing the delay; either some sort of space in the re-development, or some space elsewhere for a community centre.

I hope....
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2019, 9:24 PM
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2019, 9:27 PM
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Everyone on here is smart enough to know that there is no silver bullet to turning downtown Winnipeg into an enjoyable and liveable place but every bit helps, especially when the media is starting to ramp up coverage on how unsafe downtown wpg is.

Hopefully everything goes okay.
I hope it goes okay too, but yeah honestly, talking to my friends back home and seeing everything I've seen... Downtown Winnipeg wouldn't even have most of its problems, if someone would give the Inner City some jobs, and hopes of a brighter future.

If any Elon Musks or Bill Gates are reading this: some jobs would be nice.
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