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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 5:07 PM
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London and Shanghai are the upper ends of density but I didn't say LA was that dense, I said it was pretty dense and it is. Houston, is an area that isn't very dense and we are more or less laid out like the LA area; spread out and decentralized. But no where near the density of LA.
LA has 8k per square mile. I don't agree. many people living in single family homes, few apartments.

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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 5:40 PM
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There's nothing particular scenic about the NY approaches other than a view of Manhattan from above, which is not as impressive as from below. I'll go LA here, mountains make a difference.
^ +1 This.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 5:48 PM
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The figures show that it's not pretty dense. It's sprawling. I don't get how its dense. 4 million people in that large area is not dense.
The LAX flight approach path area (the Los Angeles-Anaheim-Long Beach MSA + the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario MSA) that has been the focus of this thread's discussion includes a total population that is closer to 18 million people (not 4 million) and is indeed quite dense, albeit spread out, relative to most auto-centric cars in the U.S.

Regardless of the "data" you are attempting to use as a comparable metric, you sound uninformed.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 5:54 PM
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The LAX flight approach path area (the Los Angeles-Anaheim-Long Beach MSA + the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario MSA) that has been the focus of this thread's discussion includes a total population that is closer to 18 million people (not 4 million) and is indeed quite dense, albeit spread out, relative to most auto-centric cars in the U.S.

Regardless of the "data" you are attempting to use as a comparable metric, you sound uninformed.
I guess you don't know what a dense city looks like. Try and find one and then come back to me. Having a big metro area is not important as its a huge sprawl. I'm talking about LA city, because the core city is where the action should be, not in some exurb.

If you look at LA from the air, it's mostly single family homes with yards. Now go and look at cities like Madrid or Shanghai. It's seas of apartments and row-houses. Don't give me this nonsense about LA being dense on a global scale! It's big and sprawls forever, but that's irrelevant.

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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 5:57 PM
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I guess you don't know what a dense city looks like. Try and find one and then come back to me.
I've been to Tokyo (insanity), London, Paris and New York and still can claim that LA is pretty dense. There's a lot of humanity crammed in between those mountains.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 6:01 PM
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I've been to Tokyo (insanity), London, Paris and New York and still can claim that LA is pretty dense. There's a lot of humanity crammed in between those mountains.
I'm talking LA city. I never looked up the metro area density and compared it. The city itself isn't dense compared to other major cities of similar status. The LA metro area may be denser than expected due to geographic constraints, but the sprawling suburbs is not my focus and I'm only interested in the core city.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 6:47 PM
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I guess you don't know what a dense city looks like. Try and find one and then come back to me.
You know what, you're right, I guess I don't.

I mean, I live in a little place called Manhattan, which, as everyone knows is completely sprawling, suburban and isn't dense at all.

Can you let me know where a dense city is, since I clearly don't know what one looks like, have ever visited one, or ever lived in one?

Thanks in advance.
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Would you guys bust the nut and call for the Uber already? We've been told that L.A. is the undisputed greatest landing visual in the country. It's over.
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Koreatown, Westlake/City West and Hollywood are really filling in too. In 7-10 years, Hollywood might look completely different.

My favorite landings are

LAX
NYC
Chicago
Vegas (at night)
SF

Eh, maybe DC next.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 7:51 PM
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I'm talking LA city. I never looked up the metro area density and compared it. The city itself isn't dense compared to other major cities of similar status. The LA metro area may be denser than expected due to geographic constraints, but the sprawling suburbs is not my focus and I'm only interested in the core city.
Which is still pretty dense.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 9:29 PM
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Yeah, no. I fly that route and the LAX route I noted previously regularly, and strongly disagree.

**Edit - to be clear, I'm specifically referring to the approach into LAX from the East when viewed from the left side of the plane, which eventually gives views of the San Gabriel Mountains, DTLA, Koreatown, Hollywood, Westwood, etc., not the right side of the plane, which gives a southern view.
I think you need to check your directions. Flying from the east, it’s the right side of the plane that’s looking north.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 9:38 PM
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It would be far better if LA wasn't so spread out. European cities and a few American (NY, SF, Boston) are just better in their compact yet dense format because the streetlife is better and people walk around more. And, L.A isn't dense at all. It's known to be a spread out city. Check the numbers. It's a low density city compared to East Coast cities and euro cities.
LA's high density areas are far larger in area compared to places like, DC, Baltimore, Boston, Philly etc. NYC is different, obviously.

LA's pretty urban from Boyle Hts/East LA all the way out Century City or so and even those areas west of there are denser than many of these eastern city outskirts. Westwood is full of 5-7 story residential complexes, as are Palms, Culver City, West LA, areas of Brentwood, Santa Monica, the flats of Beverly Hills etc etc. And this is the post war stuff 12-15 miles from downtown.

DC is right next to Prince George's County, which would be low density in the LA area, for example.

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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 9:48 PM
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I think you need to check your directions. Flying from the east, it’s the right side of the plane that’s looking north.
I think I lived in L.A. for 10+ years (and have been flying into and out of LAX many more than that) and don't need some smug bloke sitting in London opining on what I do/don't know.

I also think you should've referred to post #175 in which I clarified (down to a kindergarten reading level) what I meant when I referred to the left side of the plane before deciding to chime in with your unsolicited "wisdom".

Mmmmkay?
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2019, 12:18 PM
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I think I lived in L.A. for 10+ years (and have been flying into and out of LAX many more than that) and don't need some smug bloke sitting in London opining on what I do/don't know.

I also think you should've referred to post #175 in which I clarified (down to a kindergarten reading level) what I meant when I referred to the left side of the plane before deciding to chime in with your unsolicited "wisdom".

Mmmmkay?
I don’t care what you clarified in a later post. You got your directions wrong. Approaching LAX (or anywhere else) from the east, the right side of a plane will be looking north.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2019, 12:42 PM
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Would you guys bust the nut and call for the Uber already? We've been told that L.A. is the undisputed greatest landing visual in the country. It's over.
Exactly!

You start a thread asking for the most impressive approaches at US Airports, then we peep give their opinion you are argue them down on the subjective question because it doesn't matches your opinion. What is impressive to you may not be impressive to others.
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You got your directions wrong.
Nope, sure didn't.

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Approaching LAX (or anywhere else) from the east, the right side of a plane will be looking north.
Not going to spend one additional minute clarifying right side vs. left side (depending on context) for the mentally challenged. Dense, much?
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2019, 2:28 PM
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a very nice small airport is hilo --- we just did that one recently. its great to see the big island from above and other hawaiian islands on the way back to honolulu. what's not to love about hawaii though? ha.
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Nope, sure didn't.



Not going to spend one additional minute clarifying right side vs. left side (depending on context) for the mentally challenged. Dense, much?
There is only one right side and one left side - the ones that are to the right and left, respectively, when facing forwards in the plane. Otherwise known as starboard and port. Whatever other definition you’ve decided to make up is simply incorrect.
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