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CoryB · #**981** Posted **Jul 4, 2019, 6:56 PM**

My proposal - split the existing sidewalk space to make dedicated and protected bike lanes through the intersection.

Between the motorized vehicles and bike lanes will be an 8 foot wall from McDermot to William Stephenson Way and Fort to Westbrook. To help with pedestrian accessibility there areas will be fully enclosed and weather protected. To ensure in complies with accessibility standards with will be 5 ft wide. It will also feature a high tech "cyclist detection" monitoring system to automatically deploy pepper spray at any cyclists attempting to enter the weather protected side of the system.

Hopefully my description is sufficient for oaktom to put together a rendering.

oaktom · #**982** Posted **Jul 5, 2019, 11:38 PM**

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oaktom · #**983** Posted **Jul 5, 2019, 11:51 PM**

credit to ABCP Architecture

Wpg_Guy · #**984** Posted **Jul 6, 2019, 12:03 AM**

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oaktom · #**985** Posted **Jul 7, 2019, 12:18 AM**

how do you upload images to this page I have a problem with this website I am new to this, please help me
can someone make a video tutorial about this

optimusREIM · #**986** Posted **Jul 7, 2019, 12:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by oaktom

how do you upload images to this page I have a problem with this website I am new to this, please help me
can someone make a video tutorial about this

To post the image it needs a suffix like .jpg or .png or whatever format the image is. Just make sure that it's at the end of the hyperlink and you should be good. Also make sure your [IMG][/IMG] brackets are correct

esquire · #**987** Posted **Jul 7, 2019, 1:44 PM**

^ It should be noted that this site doesn't host images, you have to upload your pictures somewhere else (I use imgur, there are others). Then you post the picture using the [IMG] tags. Just click the

icon above the quick reply box to do that easily.

OTA in Winnipeg · #**988** Posted **Jul 7, 2019, 2:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by oaktom

how do you upload images to this page I have a problem with this website I am new to this, please help me
can someone make a video tutorial about this

Post from either of the following:
https://postimages.org/

https://imgur.com/

BigG · #**989** Posted **Jul 8, 2019, 3:54 AM**

Go to this website and upload it.

http://postimage.org/

Copy the "direct link" and paste it between these:

[img]paste here[/img]

Good luck.

rrskylar · #**990** Posted **Jul 16, 2019, 1:30 PM**

Another real stupid article by Nigaan Sinclair it today’s Free Press this one equating Portage Place to a town square and he claims the mall shouldn’t be sold and should stay in public hands just because along with more convoluted irrational ideas about what govt. should and shouldn’t be doing!

Biff · #**991** Posted **Jul 16, 2019, 1:53 PM**

^^^I have to say, that was one of the most ridiculous articles I have ever read. The mall is a private entity built to create profit not a drop in centre.

optimusREIM · #**992** Posted **Jul 16, 2019, 2:15 PM**

^^ I have to thank you for the tip. I had a good chuckle. Just wait, next thing you know, they'll be hurling accusations of racism for trying to make the thing profitable.

The reality is we have plenty of spaces that could easily function as "town squares" but lamentably the idea doesn't seem to be of importance to the north American culture.

buzzg · #**993** Posted **Jul 16, 2019, 2:35 PM**

Ya I usually do like his articles – even if a little overzealous sometimes – but that one is just absurd. It always has, is, and will be a private mall. When there's a holiday or event to celebrate, people don't go to Portage Place, they go to The Forks or P&M.

Plus, there's literally zero inclination that the mall will change much other than cosmetically. For all we know the mall part stays the same and gets 2 towers on it.

The most insane thing is he didn't even say what he would like to happen. Like what, does he want the government to buy it and get in the mall business, never make a change to it and allow it to fall into a state of disrepair? Does he want to literally force stagnation and stop economic development? Does he not realized that a PP that is "healthier" is better for everyone. Sorry, it would suck for those people he speaks of if they don't have a free private place to hang out in – but it's not their responsibility to provide that.

The whole thing is ridiculous. Especially the part about The Forks – there are SOOOO many free things to do their, and you don't need to have a $10 beer to do any of them. The Forks is probably one of (or the) best examples in Canada of an accessible space for all people of all backgrounds, wealths, etc.

wardlow · #**994** Posted **Jul 16, 2019, 8:07 PM**

Progressive Urbanists, c.1995-2018: Portage Place is a textbook example of the dangers of developer-driven downtown planning and megaproject worship; it's an insular building that destroyed what diversity and commercial health was left on Portage Avenue and closed off the Central Park neighbourhood from the rest of downtown.

Progressive Urbanists, 2019: Portage Place is the greatest public space in the city and should be preserved just the way it is.

optimusREIM · #**995** Posted **Jul 16, 2019, 8:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by wardlow

Progressive Urbanists, c.1995-2018: Portage Place is a textbook example of the dangers of developer-driven downtown planning and megaproject worship; it's an insular building that destroyed what diversity and commercial health was left on Portage Avenue and closed off the Central Park neighbourhood from the rest of downtown.

Progressive Urbanists, 2019: Portage Place is the greatest public space in the city and should be preserved just the way it is.

Small note: wasn't PP a government initiative in which a bunch of commercially healthy privately held buildings were expropriated to create the 'way of the future'? I wouldn't exactly call that developer driven.

rrskylar · #**996** Posted **Jul 16, 2019, 9:11 PM**

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Small note: wasn't PP a government initiative in which a bunch of commercially healthy privately held buildings were expropriated to create the 'way of the future'? I wouldn't exactly call that developer driven.

Common sense should have been enough to decide that a downtown mall wouldn't work unless you had critical mass actually living downtown or maybe it was build it and they will come!

* There were five suburban malls in Winnipeg when PP was foolishly built!

davequanbury · #**997** Posted **Jul 16, 2019, 9:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

Another real stupid article by Nigaan Sinclair it today’s Free Press this one equating Portage Place to a town square and he claims the mall shouldn’t be sold and should stay in public hands just because along with more convoluted irrational ideas about what govt. should and shouldn’t be doing!

Actually he said this:

"There is nothing wrong with investment, but profit without people is just exploitation. Portage Place is our place and shouldn’t become something it isn’t."

and this:

"Portage Place is about more than profit. It’s a place of accessibility – and one of the only such places left in our city. It’s well known that when public spaces are reduced, social problems and conflicts increase. If a community gives people no place to go, they make spaces anyways – sometimes forcibly and unexpectedly.

When Portage Place changes, it shouldn’t lose its best parts. It is Winnipeg itself."

and this:

"Downtown apartments are fine, but these shouldn’t come at the cost of tossing people on the streets. High-end businesses are also fine, but not at the cost of marginalizing people who can’t afford them. And, of course, people who can pay high rates for space is fine, but let’s not forget the public in public space."

Sounds pretty reasonable to me

EspionNoir · #**998** Posted **Jul 16, 2019, 10:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by davequanbury

Actually he said this:

"There is nothing wrong with investment, but profit without people is just exploitation. Portage Place is our place and shouldn’t become something it isn’t.

and this:

"Portage Place is about more than profit. It’s a place of accessibility – and one of the only such places left in our city. It’s well known that when public spaces are reduced, social problems and conflicts increase. If a community gives people no place to go, they make spaces anyways – sometimes forcibly and unexpectedly.

When Portage Place changes, it shouldn’t lose its best parts. It is Winnipeg itself."

and this:

"Downtown apartments are fine, but these shouldn’t come at the cost of tossing people on the streets. High-end businesses are also fine, but not at the cost of marginalizing people who can’t afford them. And, of course, people who can pay high rates for space is fine, but let’s not forget the public in public space."

Sounds pretty reasonable to me

I understand his statements as "I would assume that Portage Place will no longer be a public space, even though the sale is still in progress, and the development plan is not even there yet." It seems that the article tries to stir public emotions even before any official announcements or plans are in place.

I'd say adding 2 student housing or whatever they will become will actually boost the "public" nature of the area.

LilZebra · #**999** Posted **Jul 17, 2019, 1:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by wardlow

Progressive Urbanists, c.1995-2018: Portage Place is a textbook example of the dangers of developer-driven downtown planning and megaproject worship; it's an insular building that destroyed what diversity and commercial health was left on Portage Avenue and closed off the Central Park neighbourhood from the rest of downtown.

Progressive Urbanists, 2019: Portage Place is the greatest public space in the city and should be preserved just the way it is.

What's a "Progressive urbanist"? Aren't all urbanists, just plain urbanists, there are no distinct characteristics between the?

Does this mean "progressive" in a political sense, like Democrat, Socialist, Communist (Commons)?

I'm lost here.

Medium.com - Andrew Dobbs - Urbanism is not Socialism or Progressive

Bdog · #**1000** Posted **Jul 17, 2019, 1:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by wardlow

Progressive Urbanists, c.1995-2018: Portage Place is a textbook example of the dangers of developer-driven downtown planning and megaproject worship; it's an insular building that destroyed what diversity and commercial health was left on Portage Avenue and closed off the Central Park neighbourhood from the rest of downtown.

Progressive Urbanists, 2019: Portage Place is the greatest public space in the city and should be preserved just the way it is.

You forgot:

Progressive Urbanists, c. 1983-1990: A downtown mall like the proposed Portage Place is the ideal mixed-use downtown development. The perfect blend of retail, entertainment, restaurants, the arts, housing for different incomes, and a promenade is exactly what Portage Avenue needs. Not only will it be well served by Winnipeg Transit, but it will also be home to a hidden parkade for those who choose to drive. The ideal urban planning project!