Cambie Corridor Updates - Page 48

Vin · #**941** Posted **Jul 12, 2019, 7:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

I think that it was unfortunate for the Cambie plan to wait until Phase 3
to finally allow taller heights at the municipal town centre (other than at the mall).

That delay allowed several 6 storey buildings to be built at the heart of the municipal town centre
where taller buildings would have been desirable.
- one seniors home and others on the north side of 41st Ave west of Cambie (not even streetfront retail)
- one rental building east of Cambie near the SE corner of 41st (not sure if it has streetfront retail)

Google streetview:

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2333823,...1vShbg0l0bLToeZ5Nmm1g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2337755,...QzeE6rqs2sdt0rducRrrQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That's exactly my point. They should've been hotels or office towers too, since they are so close to the skytrain station.

Vin · #**942** Posted **Jul 12, 2019, 7:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

Sure, why not.

Those are the exceptions rather than the norm.

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2010092...ilding-height-limits-east-west-villages/

TheTerminalCity · #**943** Posted **Jul 12, 2019, 7:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

You really do make me laugh. Only 7 approved projects along Cambie, and you make it sound like the biggest deal.

Keep working on those counting skills, you'll make it past 10 soon...

WarrenC12 · #**944** Posted **Jul 12, 2019, 8:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

You really do make me laugh. Only 7 approved projects along Cambie, and you make it sound like the biggest deal.

So what number, exactly, would constitute a big deal? We aren't dealing with greenfield here.

Vin · #**945** Posted **Jul 12, 2019, 8:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by TheTerminalCity

Keep working on those counting skills, you'll make it past 10 soon...

Perhaps you would like to count, Mr Rocket Scientist?

Look up Cambie Street projects: approved
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So what number, exactly, would constitute a big deal? We aren't dealing with greenfield here.

60 or so blocks along Cambie and 7 approved projects: you go do the math.
Neither are many suburb town centres dealing with greenfield and yet they are seeing phenomenal growths. If this isn't a CoV failure, I don't know what is.

domusile · #**946** Posted **Jul 12, 2019, 9:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Perhaps you would like to count, Mr Rocket Scientist?

Look up Cambie Street projects: approved
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/

60 or so blocks along Cambie and 7 approved projects: you go do the math.
Neither are many suburb town centres dealing with greenfield and yet they are seeing phenomenal growths. If this isn't a CoV failure, I don't know what is.

You've ignored projects that are completed/under construction. There are seven projects alone between king edward and 33rd along Cambie that are recently completed or nearing completion. Plus several more projects along King Ed.

whatnext · #**947** Posted **Jul 12, 2019, 10:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

You really do make me laugh. Only 7 approved projects along Cambie, and you make it sound like the biggest deal.

I doubt more are even needed right now. ONNI must be shitting bricks having paid $300 million for the Pearson site, and now buyers have evaporated.

Feathered Friend · #**948** Posted **Jul 12, 2019, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Look up Cambie Street projects: approved
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/

60 or so blocks along Cambie and 7 approved projects: you go do the math.
Neither are many suburb town centres dealing with greenfield and yet they are seeing phenomenal growths. If this isn't a CoV failure, I don't know what is.

You may want to update that number by using the archived results, rather than just counting projects that recently received approval.

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/archives/index.htm

Also, remember to include the dozens of projects on the the various side streets, and the large area sites like the Heather Lands, OTC, Pearson Dogwood, and the Oakridge Centre.

Migrant_Coconut · #**949** Posted **Jul 12, 2019, 11:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Feathered Friend

You may want to update that number by using the archived results, rather than just counting projects that recently received approval.

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/archives/index.htm

Also, remember to include the dozens of projects on the the various side streets, and the large area sites like the Heather Lands, OTC, Pearson Dogwood, and the Oakridge Centre.

Don't forget present and upcoming growth along Broadway, Hastings Joyce-Collingwood, Grandview-Woodland, Arbutus, Oak and Marine. A sizeable chunk of the city is being/will be densified.

Changing City · #**950** Posted **Jul 13, 2019, 1:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

You really do make me laugh. Only 7 approved projects along Cambie, and you make it sound like the biggest deal.

I'm laughing too. Do you ever actually travel along Cambie Street, other than on the Canada Line? (When it is, admittedly, difficult to see all the developments above).

It's pretty obvious that there are more than seven projects under construction and completed. They aren't towers, so you might have missed them. As Feathered Friend and others have tried to explain, the list you're looking at are only the recent approvals. There are a lot more over the 10 years since the plan was approved.

In fact, there are 7 projects approved for rezoning on Cambie Street (on the current rezoning website) and there are 6 more off Cambie Street but approved under the Cambie Corridor Plan. Those add up to 540 dwellings. Those are approved, with conditions. Once the developer satisfies the conditions, then the rezoning is enacted. Once it's enacted the project details are moved to that Archive page that has been linked to several times, but which you seem to have missed.

If you went there, and because I realize Math is Hard for you, you'd find 26 more approved projects on Cambie Street. Those have 1,993 units in total. But wait, there's more. There are also all the projects enacted on streets off Cambie Street but under the Cambie Corridor Plan. There are 17 more projects, with 1,050 more units.

None of these are the other big projects like the YMCA, Pearson, the Transit Centre etc etc. Those are thousands more extra units.

There are also 10 more projects that have been submitted, but not yet rezoned. Those could add another 658 units. Then there are now 33 townhouse projects, all submitted in the past two years, and likely to add over 1,000 more additional dwellings.

It's an extraordinarily successful plan, that has significantly densified a part of the city very resistant to change. (If you don't think taking one house, and turning it into 29 apartments is significant, then that's your problem). So far it's added thousands of units in four, six and eight storey buildings. While the projects continue to be submitted under the earlier phases of the plan, the next approved phase will add greater height and density in the Municipal town centre, and it looks as if it could add thousands of townhouses close to the arterials as well.

Krissy · #**951** Posted **Jul 13, 2019, 1:17 AM**

Oh Vin... sometimes you should just drop it and salvage whatever dignity you have left. That said, you do make great entertainment... now where's the popcorn?

WarrenC12 · #**952** Posted **Jul 13, 2019, 1:35 AM**

The growth along Cambie has been nothing short of remarkable. Easily the most change in Vancouver, perhaps the region. As it should be of course, with rapid transit there.

We need the same along the Broadway corridor, but it will be difficult at best with those residents. I traveled Cambie all the time 2010-2018, above ground.

logan5 · #**953** Posted **Jul 13, 2019, 1:51 AM**

I wonder how long these buildings will, or can last because their property value has roughly doubled before they have barely settled in to these places. Is there any rule that says these building can't be redeveloped for a certain period of time? There are a lot people who bought units as investments who would love to double their money so soon, and even if this is your residence, you have to seriously consider selling that property. I would.

Quote:

Originally Posted by officedweller

I think that it was unfortunate for the Cambie plan to wait until Phase 3
to finally allow taller heights at the municipal town centre (other than at the mall).

That delay allowed several 6 storey buildings to be built at the heart of the municipal town centre
where taller buildings would have been desirable.
- one seniors home and others on the north side of 41st Ave west of Cambie (not even streetfront retail)
- one rental building east of Cambie near the SE corner of 41st (not sure if it has streetfront retail)

Edit - I see that there are at least 2 rental buildings in these spots. Not sure how many strata buildings. A lot more difficult to redevelop rental buildings as the city tends to protect these.

Galaxy · #**954** Posted **Jul 13, 2019, 5:09 AM**

FYI Vin there is also the Jewish Community Centre redevelopment and retirement center redevelopment as well as all the buildings that have been built from the corner of Oak along 41st down to Cambie. Marine Gateway, W2, MC2, North West and all the other developments around Marine Gateway. There is also that development that was built on top of King Edward Station with quite a few units. There is also the Spot which was built on Cambie across from city hall. I may have missed a few more just thought I would add to the list of the projects completed since the Canada line was built that are on the Cambie corridor.

LeftCoaster · #**955** Posted **Jul 15, 2019, 9:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

I'm laughing too. Do you ever actually travel along Cambie Street, other than on the Canada Line? (When it is, admittedly, difficult to see all the developments above).

It's pretty obvious that there are more than seven projects under construction and completed. They aren't towers, so you might have missed them. As Feathered Friend and others have tried to explain, the list you're looking at are only the recent approvals. There are a lot more over the 10 years since the plan was approved.

In fact, there are 7 projects approved for rezoning on Cambie Street (on the current rezoning website) and there are 6 more off Cambie Street but approved under the Cambie Corridor Plan. Those add up to 540 dwellings. Those are approved, with conditions. Once the developer satisfies the conditions, then the rezoning is enacted. Once it's enacted the project details are moved to that Archive page that has been linked to several times, but which you seem to have missed.

If you went there, and because I realize Math is Hard for you, you'd find 26 more approved projects on Cambie Street. Those have 1,993 units in total. But wait, there's more. There are also all the projects enacted on streets off Cambie Street but under the Cambie Corridor Plan. There are 17 more projects, with 1,050 more units.

None of these are the other big projects like the YMCA, Pearson, the Transit Centre etc etc. Those are thousands more extra units.

There are also 10 more projects that have been submitted, but not yet rezoned. Those could add another 658 units. Then there are now 33 townhouse projects, all submitted in the past two years, and likely to add over 1,000 more additional dwellings.

It's an extraordinarily successful plan, that has significantly densified a part of the city very resistant to change. (If you don't think taking one house, and turning it into 29 apartments is significant, then that's your problem). So far it's added thousands of units in four, six and eight storey buildings. While the projects continue to be submitted under the earlier phases of the plan, the next approved phase will add greater height and density in the Municipal town centre, and it looks as if it could add thousands of townhouses close to the arterials as well.

Wonderful post, thank you for actually doing quality research and providing factual information.

While I do have my issues with the Cambie plan (King Ed Station, late implementation of the proper densities around Oakridge to name my two biggest) the plan has certainly been a wild success and for the most part hit the mark.

Feathered Friend · #**956** Posted **Jul 21, 2019, 11:33 PM**

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Does having a drink with friends in the shade of a tree sound nice? How about enjoying ice cream with your kids in a new play area? Then come out July 27th to learn about a new plaza in the Cambie Village. Maybe your feedback will see Vancouver gets both

https://vancouver.ca/news-calendar/calen...Embed=view%3Devent%26eventid%3D133592421

https://twitter.com/City_Duo/status/1153072919435550720

Feathered Friend · #**957** Posted **Aug 2, 2019, 10:09 PM**

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A Hillock Of UDP Recommendations Fail To Surmount Pearson Dogwood’s Tallest Offering

500 West 57th Avenue (Pearson Dogwood Parcel D) – Cambie Gardens – DP-2019-00390
One could argue this meeting of the Urban Design Panel marks an important milestone in the Pearson Dogwood Lands redevelopment. As Parcel D is bordered by Cambie and 57th Avenue, it will host the tallest towers, reaching 28 floors, and be comprised of 488 strata, 30 supportive and 233 non-market homes. Given that parcels A (pg 3), C (pg 4), and E have been approved, and B is under review, it also marks the halfway point in the site’s development process.

Then again, that might not be the case, as city council recently approved (pg 19) allowing consultation on whether Parcel C could be converted to provide moderate income rental housing. In exchange, the strata living space would be added on to the western parcels. After all, even the best laid plans must evolve to reflect the needs of today, which is part of why these buildings have been slightly altered from the rezoning application.

https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2019/08/02...mount-pearson-dogwoods-tallest-offering/

officedweller · #**958** Posted **Aug 2, 2019, 11:10 PM**

Thanks.

It would be nice to see cleaner designs.
This is another Vancouver project that is mixing up a number of different design styles.

Burnaby projects tend to be more cohesive.

PS - with an upturned end, the curved roof will look a lot like an old Safeway bent wood roof!

Migrant_Coconut · #**959** Posted **Aug 3, 2019, 7:54 AM**

You'd think they'd at least keep the space for the station entrance, even if it's not funded right now...

Aroundtheworld · #**960** Posted **Aug 3, 2019, 9:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

You'd think they'd at least keep the space for the station entrance, even if it's not funded right now...

They're really going to need that station. Translink seems very reluctant about building it though.