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Old Posted Jul 2, 2019, 8:32 PM
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A Reason To Celebrate – July 4th Brings Hundreds Of Rental Homes To The Cambie Corridor

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The end of July will mark the 10th anniversary of when Vancouver City Council approved the terms of reference for the Cambie Corridor Plan. Unfortunately, by the time the second phase was completed in 2011, it was already woefully outdated, allowing only 6 floor mid-rise buildings along the corridor. Even these blocks supporting the Canada Line Station at Cambie and West 41st Avenue were limited to this inadequate form.

In hindsight, it seems obvious that our city’s housing crisis was already well underway, and that the Canada Line would reach the required passenger volume to break even 3 years sooner than expected. Nonetheless, in 2015 when consultation on the final phase began, some still argued that even 6 storey buildings along arterial roads were too much, and that the single family interior blocks should remain untouched....

These rental buildings aren’t the tallest in the area, however they’ll likely bring hundreds of homes to this transit hub. Located along 41st Avenue between the lane east of Cambie Street and the new 6 storey redevelopment of the Oakridge United Church...
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2019, 10:53 PM
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Those are lousy maps (as they don't demarcate the streets)
Is the site near Cambie on the corner or not? There an alley to the east of the corner, so I figure it's not at the corner.
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Not on the corner.
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Was planning on going but got held up at work. Was anyone able to make it and see what's planned?
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No - read what I wrote again. All 3,100 units are in 4 storey, 6 storey (and 8-storey projects) along the Cambie Corridor. So are the 950 units in submitted applications.

Oakridge will add another 2,900 units. Pearson adds another 2,170. The YMCA adds another 228 units. The Jewish Community Centre adds another 299 units. Langara Gardens hasn't been submitted yet, but there's an approved policy framework (in 2018) to develop about 2,500 additional units. Similarly the Transit Centre has an approved framework to add about 1,500 units, but no rezoning has been submitted yet.

Many of those projects have residential densities close to, or higher than the residential densities of tower schemes in suburban municipalities. They just take a form that you don't seem to approve of.

There are also schemes south of 59th Avenue that were allowed for rezoning under the Marpole Plan, that I haven't counted. There are four and six storey buildings there that are adding over 1,000 more units.

All these policies and plans and major site rezonings are why housing starts in the City of Vancouver are more than in any other municipality for every one of the past ten years. You notice the big towers in concentrated sites in Burnaby, or Coquitlam, but the growth in Vancouver, and along the Cambie Corridor is in many more smaller projects that added together are a big change, and significantly more density. Single rancher bungalows are being redeveloped as 29 apartments - and not just studios and one-bedroom, represent a more subtle form of densification, but it's one that has been acceptable (reluctantly initially) in a series of west side neighbourhoods. In my book, that's an achievement, and much more difficulty than redeveloping retail parking lots or car dealerships.
That's exactly what I was talking about: if they were to allow way higher density instead of the 4-6 stories, a lot more units would have been created by now after a full decade.

Fine, the 4-6 condos along the cambie stretch and major cross-streets would yield 3,100, but the way smaller nodes of taller highrises you stated would provide almost 10,000 units. That's a stark difference. The article provided by Feathered Friend above stated that fact too about the inadequacy of the original plan:


The end of July will mark the 10th anniversary of when Vancouver City Council approved the terms of reference for the Cambie Corridor Plan. Unfortunately, by the time the second phase was completed in 2011, it was already woefully outdated, allowing only 6 floor mid-rise buildings along the corridor. Even these blocks supporting the Canada Line Station at Cambie and West 41st Avenue were limited to this inadequate form (pg 49).

In hindsight, it seems obvious that our city’s housing crisis was already well underway, and that the Canada Line would reach the required passenger volume to break even 3 years sooner than expected. Nonetheless, in 2015 when consultation on the final phase began, some still argued that even 6 storey buildings along arterial roads were too much, and that the single family interior blocks should remain untouched.

Now, many homeowners who live near the King Edward Station plead to be allowed to further densify their land (pg 61). Of course, others continue to decry these changes to their neighbourhood’s character, while many renters wonder when their homes will come. Despite all the failings of the Cambie Corridor Plan, it is finally offering some relief to that later group.

These rental buildings aren’t the tallest in the area, however they’ll likely bring hundreds of homes to this transit hub. Located along 41st Avenue between the lane east of Cambie Street and the new 6 storey redevelopment of the Oakridge United Church, they descend in height from 22, to 14 and finally 10 floors. As part of that respectful transition, the western buildings share a 6 floor podium, but the one east of Alberta Street is limited to 4.

The notice doesn’t actually reveal the amount of homes proposed, but based on a recently submitted application across the road, Hannah and I have made an educated guess. Located at 5740 Cambie that project, similar in scale to this western building, will provide a total of 80 rental and 133 strata homes. Given that, we think this development may end up adding over 300 homes.

Thankfully, as a new community centre, library, and one acre park are already planned and funded, there will be more than enough amenities to accommodate these new households. Plus the amazing transit services in the area, like the new 91 B-Line, ensures there won’t be a similar amount of new cars on the road. However, there is one thing that sticks out to us.

Oddly, the property the developer owns at the northeast corner of Cambie and 41st Avenue is not included in this proposal. A development application (DP-2019-00053) reveals the plan is to temporarily use that site as a sales centre for a separate development. Perhaps this means that, even though the community plan allows for this growth (pg 74), the applicant team remains nervous over whether they will see a significant amount of opposition.

After all, the rejection of 21 rental homes in Shaughessy proves that some on Vancouver City Council are more than willing to choose hedges and neighbourhood character over new homes. Obviously, this proves your voice can make a difference. so make sure to come out to this pre-appliction open house on July 8th from 5pm – 7:30 pm at the Jewish Community Centre.


Planners here can't seem to see far. Perhaps it is coupled with the reluctance to improve by local Vancouverites as well.
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I think that it was unfortunate for the Cambie plan to wait until Phase 3
to finally allow taller heights at the municipal town centre (other than at the mall).

That delay allowed several 6 storey buildings to be built at the heart of the municipal town centre
where taller buildings would have been desirable.
- one seniors home and others on the north side of 41st Ave west of Cambie (not even streetfront retail)
- one rental building east of Cambie near the SE corner of 41st (not sure if it has streetfront retail)

Google streetview:


https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2333823,...1vShbg0l0bLToeZ5Nmm1g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2337755,...QzeE6rqs2sdt0rducRrrQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

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I think that it was unfortunate for the Cambie plan to wait until Phase 3
to finally allow taller heights at the municipal town centre (other than at the mall).
More like irresponsible. It wasn’t something that happened accidentally; it was a conscious choice which council knew flew in the face of responsible planning and long-term city needs but one which they made anyway out of political cowardice and expediency.
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I'd go with that too.

another for consideration... why isn't Kerrisdale designated as a Municipal Town Centre?
(answer: too many NIMBYs)
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I'd go with that too.

another for consideration... why isn't Kerrisdale designated as a Municipal Town Centre?
(answer: too many NIMBYs)
That's presumably a consideration, but surely the fact that it's not on rapid transit is a bigger factor?
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'Monarchy-inspired' condo building proposed for Cambie Corridor
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/486-west-26th-avenue-vancouver


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/486-west-26th-avenue-vancouver
Site of 486 West 26th Avenue, Vancouver. (Billard Architecture)

Artistic rendering of 486 West 26th Avenue, Vancouver. (Billard Architecture)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/486-west-26th-avenue-vancouver


Site of 486 West 26th Avenue, Vancouver, and other surrounding mid-rise redevelopments. (Billard Architecture)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/486-west-26th-avenue-vancouver
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Cambie Corridor Rental Buildings Embrace A Green Direction – Badly Need Hotel Spaces Come To Oakridge

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It is no secret Vancouver is in the midst of a housing shortage. While most of the Cambie Corridor has had an increase in strata homes, a lack of new rental housing means low and middle income renters have been largely forgotten. Yet that is not the only thing in Vancouver lagging behind, as a lack of hotel rooms has hampered a vital pillar in our city’s economy; the tourism industry.

Currently most hotels are focused around our hospitals, central business district, and links with the outside world, like the Trans-Canada Highway and YVR. As a result, some landlords have chosen to convert their rental properties into shorter term uses, like Airbnb, to service visitors who want to stay near where the want to go. Certainly, this Municipal Town Centre will become one of those destinations.
https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2019/07/10...adly-need-hotel-spaces-come-to-oakridge/
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Nice!

Great to see retail at grade in both buildings.
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Nice!

Great to see retail at grade in both buildings.
The commercial uses (the retail and the hotel space) are required by the Cambie Corridor Plan. On Cambie, from 39th to 45th Avenue there's a requirement for a 50 foot to 60 foot commercial podium. Above that developers can add another 110 to 280 feet (depending on the block) of residential, or commercial.
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Yeah, I guess that's the result of Phase III?

i.e. Compared to what's west of King Edward Station.
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Yeah, I guess that's the result of Phase III?

i.e. Compared to what's west of King Edward Station.
It is. The 2011 version of the plan allowed 12 storeys at Cambie and 41st, and "staff may investigate further allowing mixed-use buildings beyond the anticipated 12 storeys, to be evaluated at each rezoning in the context of the principles enumerated in this plan, as part of future planning and community consultation in Phase 3." From 41st to 45th "Second floor job space will be required where feasible". The Phase 3 Plan pushed that up to at least 50, and up to 60 feet high for the commercial podium. From 39th to 41st, second floor job space was 'strongly encouraged', but not required. Now it's the same as to the south.
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Perhaps a town centre like this, recognized widely in Urban Planning circles:

[IMG]hafencity by whatnextyvr, on Flickr[/IMG]
HafenCity in Hamurg, credit: https://www.academyofurbanism.org.uk/

The sucessful definition of a town centre is some dismal, soulless highrise wasteland so commonly found in authoritarian countries.
Such as Manhattan?
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Such as Manhattan?
Sure, why not.
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... Now it's the same as to the south.
That should help provide a more balanced mix of uses in the town centre.
It would be nice if an office tower (or mid-rise) were built on one of the non-mall corners
(ie the SE corner (for which pics of a primarily residential project were released recently) as that could have spurred a secondary entrance to Oakridge Station)

I don't think Oakridge Centre even has an office tower in the plans (other than the existing one).
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That should help provide a more balanced mix of uses in the town centre.
It would be nice if an office tower (or mid-rise) were built on one of the non-mall corners
(ie the SE corner (for which pics of a primarily residential project were released recently) as that could have spurred a secondary entrance to Oakridge Station)

I don't think Oakridge Centre even has an office tower in the plans (other than the existing one).
As a stand-alone tower, no. However there's a decent amount of additional office space; 175,600 sq ft in the approved DP that's already getting ready to build, and another 119,500 sq ft in the currently submitted next phase DP. There over 250,000 in the remaining phases that have been rezoned, but not yet submitted as DPs yet.

The Phase 3 plan allows office towers to have bigger floorplates than residential, and closer spacing (60 feet from residential towers, rather than the 80 feet residential towers have to have). Whether there would be any market interest in leasing a tower there is a different story - especially as all the projects along Cambie for six blocks have to have at least 50 feet commercial podium - so that'll either be office or hotel.
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Sadly, in Vin's case it won't help. He has a terminal case of toweritis - the inability to perceive density if it isn't in the form of a tower. It's like the several thousand Cambie Corridor Plan units are completely invisible.
You really do make me laugh. Only 7 approved projects along Cambie, and you make it sound like the biggest deal.
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