[Burnaby] Gilmore Place | 214.8m | 64fl | Phase 1 Completed

[GilmoreStation]

Construction updates from Onni, what a great looking cranes!

[cairnstone]

Really Gilmore, you need to put on glasses as there is only one crane in the picture. 2 Bauer drills, loader, and excavator

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

this must be keeping you up at night not being able to sleep with worry. LOL.

Heh. For the record, flooding sometimes reaches as far as Douglas (a few blocks north of the station) and leaves Gilmore inaccessible.

[Vin]

It may be outside the flooding zone but definitely not far from the creek that is prone to flooding. I think Gilmore Place still needs pumps in the underground parkade in case water seeps in during flooding events.

I wonder if Burnaby and GVRD would call for large storm trunk pipes installed for storm water to be chanelled away from the area: similar in function to storm/monsoon rain canals you see in many parts of the world, but in this case more like large underground pipes.

[officedweller]

OMA and Tandem have a marshy water retention area to the south.

[GilmoreStation]

there will really be 7-storey underground parkade in phase 1

[Klazu]

I remember reading that one of the new River District building's parkade flooded writing off all cars inside. I wouldn't want a parking spot in P7 level of Gilmore Place...

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I remember reading that one of the new River District building's parkade flooded writing off all cars inside. I wouldn't want a parking spot in P7 level of Gilmore Place...

Given the puddles that form at the bus stops, I'd suggest rebranding P6 and P7 as a water feature.

[Marshal]

This is silly: there are 100+ structures built in this so-called flood plain. There is not enough drainage to cause a significant flood. The main issues are related to the short term (as in during a violent storm) drainage of surface water from roadways. Gilmore, along the frontage of the Home Depot, was raised and put on a concrete structure about ten years ago for this reason. Proper foundation drainage (by means of raft foundations and/or pumping capacity) precludes serious water damage in any properly designed parkades. Besides roadways, there have been few water related problems in that area: be it the low rise office parks, the industrial warehouses, the condo towers built over the last 15 years, or properties such as the Dick's Lumber yard. P7 at Gilmore Place isn't an issue.

Any flooding at River District must have been from the water supply system (a broken water main) because, even though close to the river, all of that land is high enough that flooding is not a normal issue - it would take a major flood event to have done that: one we would all remember because of the widespread damage it would have caused.

(This is not opinion. This comes from research done for three different projects I worked on in the area of the above aerial photo.)

[Spr0ckets]

r/ WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by GilmoreStation

there will really be 7-storey underground parkade in phase 1

Source?

The link you provided before doesn't specify if it's just the underground parkade or the parkade AND the podium that are the 7 storeys (total) being applied for.

And as pointed out before, if its for the latter, then as already pointed out, that underground parkade is not going to be more than 2 or 3 levels deep at most.

[GilmoreStation]

Confirmed it with Onni sales rep

[cairnstone]

This will be the first project in this area of Burnaby to have more than 1 level below grade. The others have one level are the buildings to the south on still creek. The design will require the structure to be tanked. and most likely have uplift anchors installed to prevent the parkade from floating. The area in concern would only be the bottom 25% of the property along gilmore and dawson. As the move up the hill the ground water level will not be as much of an issue. but the lower end will be a challange as a cut off wall will need to extend below the lowest level and find till to allow ground works started.

What I have been told is that a Secant wall will be a challange as its is typically used for more shallow cut off wall. Whereas CSM is a better choice for deeper cut off wall. SO if they planned to do a 7 story underground from gilmore they would need to use different equipment.

Flooding would not be a big issue bu the high water table. As when it rains heavy the water table is at grade all along still creek. The storm system cant keep up with the removal and the buildings cant move it out of the parkades fast enough.

But then I have been wrong before.

[jlousa]

I agree with cairnstones reasoning. I'm skeptical that we will see 7 levels below grade, for an even more mundane reason. It's a huge site and there is no need to. Of course with enough money it could be done but why would you, when there isn't the need to go that deep. Willing to be proven wrong but knowing Onni I don't see them spending the money when not needed.

[GilmoreStation]

this is Onni's landmark project, they can't afford to take a hit on their reputation by delivering subpar results

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by GilmoreStation

this is Onni's landmark project, they can't afford to take a hit on their reputation by delivering subpar results

Not to slag to hard but you do know thats an oxymoron. They would have been better off rebranding as premium company and remove any reference Onni.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Marshal

This is silly: there are 100+ structures built in this so-called flood plain. There is not enough drainage to cause a significant flood. The main issues are related to the short term (as in during a violent storm) drainage of surface water from roadways. Gilmore, along the frontage of the Home Depot, was raised and put on a concrete structure about ten years ago for this reason. Proper foundation drainage (by means of raft foundations and/or pumping capacity) precludes serious water damage in any properly designed parkades. Besides roadways, there have been few water related problems in that area: be it the low rise office parks, the industrial warehouses, the condo towers built over the last 15 years, or properties such as the Dick's Lumber yard. P7 at Gilmore Place isn't an issue.

Any flooding at River District must have been from the water supply system (a broken water main) because, even though close to the river, all of that land is high enough that flooding is not a normal issue - it would take a major flood event to have done that: one we would all remember because of the widespread damage it would have caused.

(This is not opinion. This comes from research done for three different projects I worked on in the area of the above aerial photo.)

We are referring to a one in a hundred year event, like a freak storm that can cause massive flooding. No matter how waterproof u/g parkades can be, water can always enter via the driveway ramps when floodwater gets high enough, etc. You just never know. Better to be safe than sorry right?

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Heh. For the record, flooding sometimes reaches as far as Douglas (a few blocks north of the station) and leaves Gilmore inaccessible.

I know I worked nearby. The Dicks Lumber would often be flooded. Just funny that Gilmore station is going out of their way to show that there are no issues with the location.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

I know I worked nearby. The Dicks Lumber would often be flooded. Just funny that Gilmore station is going out of their way to show that there are no issues with the location.

With a name like "GilmoreStation," he (or it) sure ain't shilling for Lougheed.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by GilmoreStation

Confirmed it with Onni sales rep

Then maybe they're the ones who should be making that claim here and not you.

At least then we'll be able to ask them exactly what they know of the construction process of this project and if they've even seen the building plans and construction documentation, at all.

Fact of the matter is that for all we know about this site and area (forget the flooding and the flood plain issue for a moment. The real point is the high water table, which isn't unrelated to flooding either), it seems unlikely that they would spend the required (exorbitant) amounts to tank their foundation, install the necessary pumps and build that deep for parking when it isn't necessary to do so if you can place most of it in the podium like they do easily and routinely in Richmond and New West.

It's going to be a high-end landmark project but it's not THAT high-end.

Either you don't know what you're talking about with regards to foundation construction and building economics, or the sales rep doesn't or someone is talking out of their ass.