Calgary Public Transit II

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by ImmortalHawk

Does anyone know the plans for the new 17 avenue configuration if the manage to change Vic Park stampede station? Will that mean they will break down the fence (The boundary of weadickville) and run a road through. So maybe BMO Centre will empty into a pedestrian area in front of the new 17 ave?

Yes - 17th will run all the way through to Olympic Way. Thought this was already well known, so I didn't state it explicitly in my prior note. There is a conceptual plan at the end of my recent post on the construction thread. It isn't a massive pedestrian plaza by any means, but the strip with angled green strips in the image is a pedestrian zone in front of the BMO connecting directly to the station:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=8585670#post8585670

[lubicon]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Yes - 17th will run all the way through to Olympic Way. Thought this was already well known, so I didn't state it explicitly in my prior note. There is a conceptual plan at the end of my recent post on the construction thread. It isn't a massive pedestrian plaza by any means, but the strip with angled green strips in the image is a pedestrian zone in front of the BMO connecting directly to the station:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=8585670#post8585670

Is that really 'well known'? Looking at a map it looks impossible. BMO Centre is right in the way so I don't know how 17th could possibly connect to Olympic Way. Or am I missing something?

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by lubicon

Is that really 'well known'? Looking at a map it looks impossible. BMO Centre is right in the way so I don't know how 17th could possibly connect to Olympic Way. Or am I missing something?

Well it was one of the planks being discussed in the last municipal election (where I assumed many people voted after reading the platforms), was part of the plan highlighted in 2017 on this forum regarding the BMO expansion, was highlighted exceptionally clearly in the Rivers District Master Plan published several months ago, and has been mentioned on this forum several times over the last year including with graphics. For those reasons I assumed it was well known. Certainly there will always be people who are not aware - I wasn't meaning to be offensive.

Recently we've tried to consolidate discussion about the rivers district to the new rivers district thread. Please visit there, where you'll find numerous maps / graphics and links to documents. It makes little sense discussing roads here on the transit thread. See here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=239138

[Corndogger]

Would something like this help Calgary Transit to lower their C-Train maintenance costs?

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[excel]

No way Calgary can afford something like that to begin with.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by excel

No way Calgary can afford something like that to begin with.

Reminds me of when he suggested Calgary build the Burj Dubai

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Reminds me of when he suggested Calgary build the Burj Dubai

I'm talking about the use of robots. Why would we need a facility that big? Does the obvious have to spelled out for you guys?

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

I'm talking about the use of robots. Why would we need a facility that big? Does the obvious have to spelled out for you guys?

I think those bullet train maintenance robots require bullet trains. We should work on those first.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by suburbia

I think those bullet train maintenance robots require bullet trains. We should work on those first.

I said "robots" not "bullet train maintenance robots."

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

I said "robots" not "bullet train maintenance robots."

Thanks for clarifying. Originally you just said:

Originally Posted by Corndogger

Would something like this help Calgary Transit to lower their C-Train maintenance costs?

Rather ambiguous, given you were posting a video of a massive maintenance facility. Further, you didn't even say "these" hence Excel's original response that we can't afford such a facility.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Thanks for clarifying. Originally you just said:


Rather ambiguous, given you were posting a video of a massive maintenance facility. Further, you didn't even say "these" hence Excel's original response that we can't afford such a facility.

I'll keep in mind that English isn't your first language. Probably not your second either.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

I'll keep in mind that English isn't your first language. Probably not your second either.

Can you explain the relevance of posting this factually inaccurate statement? Seems like yet another ad hominem attack in response to your losing position.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Can you explain the relevance of posting this factually inaccurate statement? Seems like yet another ad hominem attack in response to your losing position.

My position won. Why would I advocate for a huge maintenance facility that was built for bullet trains when we don't have any? Someone who's first language is English would know I was talking about robotics.

[outoftheice]

Interesting read about the upcoming open house on an airport transit link and how the city anticipates phasing it.

https://livewirecalgary.com/2019/06/20/calgary-airport-transit-plan-set-for-public-input/

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

Why would I advocate for a huge maintenance facility that was built for bullet trains when we don't have any?

We can't answer that for you. Sarcasm aside, it was a ridiculous suggestion.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by outoftheice

Interesting read about the upcoming open house on an airport transit link and how the city anticipates phasing it.

https://livewirecalgary.com/2019/06/20/calgary-airport-transit-plan-set-for-public-input/

That's a good article - a good amount of articulation about the different options and the reasons for the recommendations. Thank god the airport tunnel was built as it was, else this would have been way more complicated.

On a related but tangential note, the extension of airport trail east is moving quickly. I think the section up to Metis will be ready within a couple months from what it looked like to me recently. Guess it will depend on how much rain we get.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by suburbia

We can't answer that for you. Sarcasm aside, it was a ridiculous suggestion.

Using robots to maintain the trains is ridiculous? Maybe to Nenshi insiders such as yourself but not to the rest of us.

[milomilo]

It's not completely ridiculous but who cares? CT operates 4 different vehicles, the cost to develop a robotic system to do the maintenance on all 4 would almost certainly outweigh the potential savings of reducing the number of mechanics by a limited amount. And then you need new mechanics to maintain the robots.

It could have made sense for the Chinese there because that appears to be a much larger facility for more trains of the same unit type. If Siemens develops a system for the maintenance of their vehicles, maybe it will make sense for us to install it but to expect Calgary to develop this on their own, actually, is ridiculous now I write this.

[milomilo]

Originally Posted by outoftheice

Interesting read about the upcoming open house on an airport transit link and how the city anticipates phasing it.

https://livewirecalgary.com/2019/06/20/calgary-airport-transit-plan-set-for-public-input/

This is interesting. When they first said 'automated people mover', I had thought of a lower grade system like an airport terminal thing, and that's what they presented it as too. Turns out they actually meant something like Canada Line Skytrain, which is much more impressive. Shame we will only get this on a remote airport line and not the Green Line, where they didn't even consider the technology choice.

The plan seems fine, although as is standard they have got too caught up in minor details and their reasoning for certain things are nonsensical - like saying that the parallel station would have allowed easier route finding because the north-south platforms would be aligned. What? The airport line will only run in one direction (east) from the 96th Ave station, so that's irrelevant. And why does it have two platforms anyway? Also "if you build the parallel station, the tie in for the two stations needs to be timed together – so completion of this stage of the Calgary airport transit line would be contingent on construction being completed at the 96 Avenue NE station on the Green Line". Again, what? Of course you would build the lines at the same time, but even if you didn't have the Green Line there it wouldn't matter.

The city seems to think that even if there is only one good options, the other options need to be presented as having equal merit. We saw the same thing with the Green Line, where I'm sure they all knew what the conclusion would be but they had to go through bullshit public engagement anyway to pretend like there was a choice.

I hope they didn't spend too much time on this, it's so far in the future that all we need to know is a technology choice and route so we don't build anything in the way.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

Using robots to maintain the trains is ridiculous? Maybe to Nenshi insiders such as yourself but not to the rest of us.

You were suggesting the massive China-sized maintenance facility for Calgary. Specifically you said, "Would something like this help Calgary Transit to lower their C-Train maintenance costs?"

Excel's response was, "No way Calgary can afford something like that to begin with."

Now let's move on. I get that you've become hugely defensive given that Excel's response highlighted how ridiculous your suggestion was. Now move on please.