The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 630

J.OT13 · #**12581** Posted **Jun 15, 2019, 3:18 PM**

And a few cool single shots of stations.

Tremblay
https://www.otrainfans.ca/forum/gallery/category/9-tremblay/

Hurdman

https://www.otrainfans.ca/forum/gallery/category/10-hurdman/

uOttawa

https://www.otrainfans.ca/forum/gallery/category/12-uottawa/

Rideau

https://www.otrainfans.ca/forum/gallery/image/57-rideau-station-lollistop/

Parliament

https://www.otrainfans.ca/forum/gallery/category/14-parliament/

Pimisi

https://www.otrainfans.ca/forum/gallery/category/16-pimisi/

Doady · #**12582** Posted **Jun 17, 2019, 12:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

How is that ass backwards or comparable to the GO's fare structure?

As long the City of Toronto and the TTC continues to be number one obstacle for regional transit in the GTA, such as with the banning of 905 buses, I will have continue to have no sympathy for you on the GO fares. You reap what you sow.

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The TTC has lease agreements to operate in other jurisdictions. They are effectively Mississauga Transit vehicles in Mississauga collecting fares for Mississauga. The TTC has always had enough buses to operate all its route so there is absolutely no need to get help from other agencies within Toronto.

Do you seriously believe that the reason that Mississauga and York Region contract out routes to the TTC and have done so for decades is because they don't have enough buses?

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I cannot speak for Burnhamthorpe or any Mississauga routes. The TTC routes that go north into York Region are a huge benefit for York Region and not the other way around.

Right, because Toronto residents never have to go outside of the city. It's a moot point anyways considering those routes are paid for entirely by York Region. TTC doesn't pay a penny for them.

Wpg_Guy · #**12583** Posted **Jun 17, 2019, 7:30 AM**

Beaumont Station

McGillivray Station

Chevrier Station

Transitway RT phase II construction

Plaza Drive Station

Chancellor Station

Stadium Station
The entire station features massive amounts of space for staging, queuing, and crowd control for events.

Source: J. Mc.https://www.flickr.com/photos/thetransitcamera/

Stadium Station in action fall 2017 (Drone footage)

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Video footage from the top of Investors Group Field of bus passengers arriving at Stadium Station for the 2017 Banjo Bowl. The footage has been sped up for viewing.

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Video footage from the top of Investors Group Field of bus passengers using Stadium Station to leave the 2017 Banjo Bowl. The footage has been sped up for viewing.

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Dengler Avenue · #**12584** Posted **Jun 17, 2019, 5:17 PM**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxFHW4ZXP1c

From 10 days ago. Pretty cool stuff, IMO.

SaskOttaLoo · #**12585** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 2:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by someone123

Here's a map of proposed BRT routes in Halifax. The "Portland Hills Terminal" route is similar to one that already exists (MetroLink; the other MetroLink route to Sackville is not included in this).

The route map shows why Halifax probably isn't going to get something like LRT anytime soon. A lot of trips go through the urban core but they don't go along any particular corridor. There are half a dozen different nodes scattered around the central parts of the peninsula (downtown, hospitals and universities, naval base, and shipyard) and the harbour bridges are north of most of that. I think an ideal transit system for Halifax would involve a mix of many different services; 1-2 commuter rail lines, half a dozen BRT routes (there are 2 now), and 1-2 new ferry routes (there are currently 2).

Source

Another problem with Halifax's system right now is that the routes don't connect up very well. If you take the airport bus you get dumped on one side of Scotia Square, others go to the other end of the complex (3 blocks away), the train station is in the South End, and the downtown Halifax terminal is not in the same spot as the ferry terminal. There is no equivalent of Union Station in Toronto or Waterfront in Vancouver.

Have you read Jarrett Walker's analysis of Halifax transit? I found it quite an interesting read, but would be interested in the take of a local.

https://humantransit.org/2011/07/network...hip-a-dense-city-example.html#more-22265

Reecemartin · #**12586** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 12:41 PM**

Our latest video on the major station upgrades at Milliken GO station in Markham / Toronto. It's gonna be really cool to have frequent electric rail service in NE Toronto especially connecting to Pacific Mall and Downtown Markham!
https://youtu.be/DBQi38Vibk8

WhipperSnapper · #**12587** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 2:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doady

As long the City of Toronto and the TTC continues to be number one obstacle for regional transit in the GTA, such as with the banning of 905 buses, I will have continue to have no sympathy for you on the GO fares. You reap what you sow.

I'm a taxpayer. I'm for regional transit. The GO system is the backbone of regional transit. It is failing in the heart of the metro. You're being beyond petty, ironic and, territorial over a couple buses dead heading it to Islington. The greater problem is why MT buses are still going to Islington than some menial fares that would go to the TTC anyways.

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Do you seriously believe that the reason that Mississauga and York Region contract out routes to the TTC and have done so for decades is because they don't have enough buses?

What i'm saying is the TTC had the buses ("also" had the buses if it helps) and it was more efficient for them to provide the service on these routes

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Right, because Toronto residents never have to go outside of the city. It's a moot point anyways considering those routes are paid for entirely by York Region. TTC doesn't pay a penny for them.

To keep things simple, that is how a lease works.

Dengler Avenue · #**12588** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 3:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I'm a taxpayer. I'm for regional transit. The GO system is the backbone of regional transit. It is failing in the heart of the metro. You're being beyond petty, ironic and, territorial over a couple buses dead heading it to Islington. The greater problem is why MT buses are still going to Islington than some menial fares that would go to the TTC anyways.

What i'm saying is the TTC had the buses ("also" had the buses if it helps) and it was more efficient for them to provide the service on these routes

To keep things simple, that is how a lease works.

If TTC Line 4 ever gets extended to Toronto Zoo and Line 2 to U of T Scarborough, YRT should take over TTC 68B*, 17A*, 129A and 102D. I find it dumb that TTC still services Markham. That's just me though.

* Actually, it probably takes the completion of Toronto's Downtown Relief Line for these two routes to be taken over.

someone123 · #**12589** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 4:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by SaskOttaLoo

Have you read Jarrett Walker's analysis of Halifax transit? I found it quite an interesting read, but would be interested in the take of a local.

https://humantransit.org/2011/07/network...hip-a-dense-city-example.html#more-22265

Yep, I've read it. I had another look at it.

I think it is all sensible in terms of high-level planning of routes for an existing road network. He doesn't get into some smaller details of how the streets or intersections work, and he doesn't talk about building new infrastructure or future development potential. He is completely right that it makes sense to focus on the Halifax peninsula when planning transit for the region. Unfortunately, this is often difficult politically, and in the past councillors have pushed for expensive services for distant suburbs (they often see it as "fair" if everybody has the same service levels, regardless of cost).

There's also a question he doesn't get into much which is: should you run transit right along the main commercial streets, or is it OK if the transit corridor is a couple of blocks away? That is an interesting trade-off. I think you generally want the transit as close as possible to shops and services, and that can have a side benefit of keeping loud buses away from quiet residential areas.

Since 2011 when this was written, Halifax has started to grow a lot faster (2% a year now for the metro while in the past it might have been 0.8%) and the peninsula in particular is absorbing a disproportionate amount of that growth (I have read 50% of all construction in recent years, with a large share of that downtown). The Halifax Transit plans I see don't really seem based on this reality. For example, they will look at demand from a few years ago and plan 10 years forward based on that, and consider a 10% ridership increase over 10 years successful. In a city growing at 2%, a 1% annual ridership increase means the transit system is failing to keep up.

Robie and Young does not have bus service in his hypothetical route maps, but it is in the BRT plan. It has been getting a lot of development and is one of the areas with the greatest development potential. Robie has something like 10 or 12 active developments right now.

ClaytonA · #**12590** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 11:56 PM**

Victoria announcing another phase of bus lane connecting the McKenzie Interchange portion to the portion running downtown southbound.

https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local...nstruction-to-begin-this-week-1.23858951

Still a south island regional transportation plan update to drop regarding the E&N, BRT, highways/etc. Shouldn't be much different from a transit perspective than the recent TransitFuture plan.

FrAnKs · #**12591** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 3:10 AM**

The future 35 Tramway stations of Québec City on a map :

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid...80925710291299%2C-71.25625852266364&z=13

Dengler Avenue · #**12592** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 3:13 AM**

There is interesting. Isn’t the slope around A73 between A540 and A40 very steep? Can Tram deal with that?

hipster duck · #**12593** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 3:16 AM**

^Yikes. They probably could cut the number of stations in half. It’s hard to see how that would be time competitive with a bus, let alone the car.

FrAnKs · #**12594** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 3:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

There is interesting. Isn’t the slope around A73 between A540 and A40 very steep? Can Tram deal with that?

I was wondering that myself before, and for most of the Tramway line there will be no issues except for the area between the 2nd and 3rd westernmost stations shown on this map.

The city said the Tramway's path will be made of curves, such as slalom skiing to soften the grade.

FrAnKs · #**12595** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 3:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by hipster duck

^Yikes. They probably could cut the number of stations in half. It’s hard to see how that would be time competitive with a bus, let alone the car.

I get your point, but the Tramway of Québec City will have an absolute priority on traffic and it will have it's own elevated & dedicaded path (Not like Toronto where the tramways are at street level).
I think that will be an advantage for our Tramways but my main concern is how they will deal with alot of snow, because we get alot in Québec City with an average of 3m per winter (4m last winter)

Dengler Avenue · #**12596** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 3:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by FrAnKs

I get your point, but the Tramway of Québec City will have an absolute priority on traffic and it will have it's own elevated & dedicaded path (Not like Toronto where the tramways are at street level).
I think that will be an advantage for our Tramways but my main concern is how they will deal with alot of snow, because we get alot in Québec City with an average of 3m per winter (4m last winter)

So Vulcain’s rants do have some merits, after all?

FrAnKs · #**12597** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 3:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

So Vulcain’s rants do have some merits, after all?

Well, overall I think this project will be a plus for Québec City, it's just the way he came up with his point of views in a rude way and never responded directly to my points. But the project is still in its preliminary version, so we are still looking for some answers.

p_xavier · #**12598** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 11:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by FrAnKs

I get your point, but the Tramway of Québec City will have an absolute priority on traffic and it will have it's own elevated & dedicaded path (Not like Toronto where the tramways are at street level).
I think that will be an advantage for our Tramways but my main concern is how they will deal with alot of snow, because we get alot in Québec City with an average of 3m per winter (4m last winter)

Still, the amount of stops is too much. The average speed will be ridiculously slow. People take transit the most when it's the more effective way. I can't see that happen with that plan.

Reecemartin · #**12599** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 12:40 PM**

The Davenport Diamond Grade Separation project is moving ahead as one of the largest GO Transit projects currently happening, the project will enable faster trips and far more trains on the GO Barrie Line all while enabling new community connections and a new multi use pathway promoting active transportation:

As always if you enjoy consider liking subscribing and sharing!

https://youtu.be/IU61mHi_G5Y

Dengler Avenue · #**12600** Posted **Jun 20, 2019, 1:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

The Davenport Diamond Grade Separation project is moving ahead as one of the largest GO Transit projects currently happening, the project will enable faster trips and far more trains on the GO Barrie Line all while enabling new community connections and a new multi use pathway promoting active transportation:

As always if you enjoy consider liking subscribing and sharing!

https://youtu.be/IU61mHi_G5Y

Good to hear that this project is a go!

Oops, unintended pun.