Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by roger1818

They might look similar, but as I have said before, they were designed from the ground up using North American gauges of metal and wire. Almost everywhere else in the world they use metric gauges. We might think we are a metric country, but not when it comes to metal parts.



Agreed. Having said that, they should have resolved the issues by now. My guess is someone got their metric and imperial measurements mixed up somewhere along the way (1 mil. = 0.0254 mm FYI).

The auto industry in North America switched to metric wire a decade ago, why would a French transit company use imperial wire?

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by acottawa

The auto industry in North America switched to metric wire a decade ago, why would a French transit company use imperial wire?

I wasn’t aware that the auto industry switched to metric wire. My guess is that’s because they have their wiring harnesses built in China, where it is easier to get metric wire than AWG.

In North America it is difficult to get metric wire, especially in the small quantities needed to build and maintain 34 trains. Also, the plan is to sell the Citadis Spirit to other cities and requiring spare parts be ordered from Europe would put them at a competitive disadvantage, especially in the US where “Made In America” is an important requirement.

Whatever the reason, I know a guy who worked for Alstom as an electrical engineer and he said the Citadis Spirit was designed from the ground up for the North American market.

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

Originally Posted by Badyouken

So, June 30 handover will not happen. No further date. RTG brought in experts from around the world. Manconi does not seem pleased. Councillors are very upset, and asking about a contingency plan for September.

All in all, not a great FEDCO meeting for LRT.

Did they really bring in those experts? Perhaps they are not so expert as they have not made quick progress? Or are our trains such lemons that they can not be fixed even by experts.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by LeadingEdgeBoomer

Did they really bring in those experts? Perhaps they are not so expert as they have not made quick progress? Or are our trains such lemons that they can not be fixed even by experts.

Alstom is building a new type of train for Ottawa's climate so no one should be surprised that all these problems are showing up. It will be closer to a year I think before they get most of the important bugs out for RSA. My guess we will be using the train closer to October maybe even November.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by OtrainUser

Alston is building a new type of train for Ottawa's climate so no one should be surprised that all these problems are showing up. It will be closer to a year I think before they get most of the important bugs out for RSA. My guess we will be using the train closer to October maybe even November.

We're in a situation right now where "when will it be ready" is unknowable, even by RTG. If they have to reenginner parts, it's definitely late Fall at best. If it's software or just adjusting the existing parts, then every single day they could possibly be done, but they need a couple weeks of testing after each fix to know if it's really fixed.

[Reecemartin]

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[Badyouken]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

I did a flyover video of OTrain Line 1! The line is looking beautiful and while the delay 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 Ottawa soon will have the fourth metro system in Canada!

https://youtu.be/xJcUKRsE5IE

Fun stuff!

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

We're in a situation right now where "when will it be ready" is unknowable, even by RTG. If they have to reenginner parts, it's definitely late Fall at best. If it's software or just adjusting the existing parts, then every single day they could possibly be done, but they need a couple weeks of testing after each fix to know if it's really fixed.

It doesn't sound that bad if you listen to the whole committee meeting yesterday.

There are 5 issues affecting the trains, but apparently the most time consuming issues to resolve are the Doors and Brake Valves.

RTG had provided an estimate to the city that they would be able to correct the Brake valve issue on 4 trains per day, starting yesterday. Assuming they are able to hit that, that means 9 days for the entire fleet. Then they will need to do the doors.

If the other issues are smaller, maybe that means 4-6 weeks to correct the issues for the entire fleet? Unless something else comes up.

[Badyouken]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

It doesn't sound that bad if you listen to the whole committee meeting yesterday.

There are 5 issues affecting the trains, but apparently the most time consuming issues to resolve are the Doors and Brake Valves.

RTG had provided an estimate to the city that they would be able to correct the Brake valve issue on 4 trains per day, starting yesterday. Assuming they are able to hit that, that means 9 days for the entire fleet. Then they will need to do the doors.

If the other issues are smaller, maybe that means 4-6 weeks to correct the issues for the entire fleet? Unless something else comes up.

The doors are quite the issue though, apparently...

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by Badyouken

The doors are quite the issue though, apparently...

I guess it depends if they know what the fix is yet. As long as the fix is known, it's just a matter of time to retrofit each train.

[Gat-Train]

Originally Posted by Badyouken

The doors are quite the issue though, apparently...

Trains have had doors for over a hundred years—this shouldn't be an issue after how many months?

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Gat-Train

Trains have had doors for over a hundred years—this shouldn't be an issue after how many months?

The problem is that there is sophisticated software and electronics operating the doors. The more complicated this becomes, the more problems can arise. This is the downside of modern society. As someone working in IT, I see amazing new software that has increasing numbers of bugs, which tech support calls 'features'. It gets worse every year. It is worrisome to install new software versions for fear of a whole new batch of bugs being introduced. The truth is that nobody can afford to fix all these bugs. In the case of trains, if it affects operations and safety, there is added pressure to fix the bugs. This takes increasing amounts of time. And since this is a new model, there will be even more issues and bugs to fix. It wasn't that long ago, that the experts warned against buying a new car model until they worked out most of the issues.

[acottawa]

These trains have been running on tracks in Ottawa for several years. If it is a design flaw with the doors, how did it take so long to discover the problem?

[J.OT13]

Looks like spray painted dead grass. Or is it spray painted dirt?

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Beautification around Pimisi.

Not a fan of that storm drain pipe hanging over the channel. Kinda ruins it.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Looks like spray painted dead grass. Or is it spray painted dirt?

Hydroseeding

[Truenorth00]

If it's just software, it can be fixed in months. If it's more than that, there'll be real issues. And I suspect there's more than just software.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by Gat-Train

Trains have had doors for over a hundred years—this shouldn't be an issue after how many months?

Manconi mentioned the issue is related to the "sensitive edge" of the doors- that prevents you from getting your scarf etc. caught in them.

This kinds of safety features didn't exist 100 years ago, but it certainly makes them more complex.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Looks like spray painted dead grass. Or is it spray painted dirt?

As mentioned that's just hydro seeding A truck spays that green mix which contains grass seed, water, and other stuff to keep it most and voila you get grass a few weeks later, shortly to be replaced entirely by weeds.

[J.OT13]

Thanks! Now I know!!

[zzptichka]

Speaking of which...
Noticed they've been doing a lot of hydroseeding this year on different projects. Are they trying save a few bucks?

Like they tried to hydroseed grass here at Bayview. You don't need to be a landscape architect to know there is zero chance it will work.