Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[Norman Bates]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

welcome!

I know many of us appreciate your insight from your posts on the other site.

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[Corvulpes]

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[J.OT13]

David Bellerive posted a link to the Confederation Line retail on O-Train Fans.

General lines, the City is looking for one operator to take up the four retail spaces under a 5 year contract, with possibility of extending for an additional 5 years (total of 10 years, then you're out). Offers to be submitted by June 26th at 4 p.m.

Here are the four locations.

Tunney's

• Located in the middle of the main concourse level overlooking the west side of the train platform in the fare-paid zone
• Customers access the train platform via stairs, escalators and elevators which are located on both sides of the retail space, therefore generating lots of foot traffic and visibility.
• The retail space is partially enclosed to the elements and public washrooms are available at this station. The size of the retail space is approximately 34 m2 or 366 ft2, as depicted by the red outline in the Tunney’s Pasture Station Retail Plan.
• The size of the retail space is approximately 34 m2 or 366 ft2 as depicted by the red outline in the diagram below
• The estimated 2021 AM peak hour customer activity for Tunney’s Pasture Station total 12,880
• The estimated AM peak hour customer activity once Stage 2 extensions are in place for Tunney's Pasture Station total 3,607. The estimated volumes increase to a total 3,937 for the 2031 AP peak hour estimates.

Hurdman

• The designated retail space at Hurdman Station is located in an open, outdoor area underneath the train platform.
• Visibility and access for customers in the fare-paid zone is excellent, with an opportunity for a small seating area should the tenant choose to include it in their design.
• The space is located about halfway between the main fare gates and the bus loop, capturing a large influx of customers.
• Designated as a major transit hub with multi-use pathways for cyclists and pedestrians, and transit connections from the east, south, west, and north ends of the city.
• Public washrooms are available at this station.
• The size of the retail space is approximately 34 m2 or 366 ft2, as depicted by the red outline in the outline below.
• The estimated 2021 AM peak hour customer activity for Hurdman Station total 5,830
• The estimated AM peak hour customer activity once Stage 2 extensions are in place for Hurdman Station total 7,038. The estimated volumes increase to a total 7,536 for the 2031 AM peak hour estimates.

Blair

• The designated retail space at Blair Station is located at the main lower entrance level in the fare-paid zone.
• Customers will pass the retail space en route to the escalators, stairs and elevators in order to make their way to the train platform above.
• The space has excellent visibility and sight lines to the public concourse area.
• Public washrooms are available at this station.
• The size of the retail space is approximately 24 m2 or 258 ft2, as depicted by the red outline below.
• The estimated 2021 AM peak hour customer activity for Blair Station total 9,220.
• The estimated AM peak hour customer activity once Stage 2 extensions are in place for Blair Station total 3,795. The estimated volumes increase to a total 4,251 for the 2031 AM peak hour estimates.

Rideau

• The designated retail space at Rideau Station is located underground, in the public concourse, outside of the fare-paid zone.
• Customers will pass the retail space in order to access the platform located nearby.
• The design of the space is similar to Blair Station, located in a corner with excellent visibility and sightlines.
• Public washrooms are not available at this station.
• The size of the retail space is approximately 15 m2 or 161 ft2, as depicted by the red outline in the diagram.
• Customer activity at Rideau Station will increase gradually and will not change significantly once Stage 2 extensions are in place
• The estimated AM peak hour customer activity once Stage 2 extensions are in place for Rideau Station total 4,820. These estimated volumes increase to a total 5,319 for the 2031 AM peak hour estimates.

More info available on the City's website.

https://ottawa.ca/en/business/doing-busi...n-confederation-line-light-rail-stations

[J.OT13]

My thoughts on this:

• When the City announced that some stations would have retail, I was imagining enclosed, lockable store fronts like Montreal or the old Mac's Milks we had at the Transitway stations. These seem more like the pop-up shops in the middle of mall corridors.
• Tunney's seems like a decent space; central, high visibility, fairly well covered from the elements. Second space could be added on the other (east) side, but considering the usage will drop after Stage 2, it might not be necessary.
• Hurdman, I'm glad it's in the fare paid zone. The initial renderings seem to show the retail space under the stairs on the south-east corner outside the fare-paid zone. It's location next to the washrooms seems a little awkward.
• Blair, the space seems tight. Not just the retail space, but that concourse level. I feel like people won't want to stay down there for long. Again, proximity to the bathroom is a little uncomfortable and visibility with that wall will be low.
• Rideau, kind of a lost corner. And I feel like retail would have been better placed on the east concourse to William Street instead of the west concourse connected to the Rideau Centre.

[Badyouken]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

My thoughts on this:

• When the City announced that some stations would have retail, I was imagining enclosed, lockable store fronts like Montreal or the old Mac's Milks we had at the Transitway stations. These seem more like the pop-up shops in the middle of mall corridors.
• Tunney's seems like a decent space; central, high visibility, fairly well covered from the elements. Second space could be added on the other (east) side, but considering the usage will drop after Stage 2, it might not be necessary.
• Hurdman, I'm glad it's in the fare paid zone. The initial renderings seem to show the retail space under the stairs on the south-east corner outside the fare-paid zone. It's location next to the washrooms seems a little awkward.
• Blair, the space seems tight. Not just the retail space, but that concourse level. I feel like people won't want to stay down there for long. Again, proximity to the bathroom is a little uncomfortable and visibility with that wall will be low.
• Rideau, kind of a lost corner. And I feel like retail would have been better placed on the east concourse to William Street instead of the west concourse connected to the Rideau Centre.

Fair thoughts. I have to say I'm just happy that there will be retail at all. It adds life to stations!

[Badyouken]

Originally Posted by Corvulpes

If you have any questions about operations, feel free to ask!

Cheers.

Thanks!

Anything you can share about the current testing going on (are the issues with the vehicles improving?), and whether we are getting close to a second "substantial completion" submission?

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Badyouken

Thanks!

Anything you can share about the current testing going on (are the issues with the vehicles improving?), and whether we are getting close to a second "substantial completion" submission?

We're only a few days away from the Fedco meeting, but my guess is not well . They seem to hold the trains an awful lot still.

[J.OT13]

Yesterday was the deadline for the new handover date. Back in March, they said they wouldn't need until the end of May to provide that new handover. Not looking good.

[CityTech]

They probably did provide a handover date it just hasn't been announced publically. I've noticed at FEDCO meetings they'll often announce some official step that happened a few days prior.

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

I just noticed there are 543 pages on the Confederation Line... :O

[McC]

but 197 of those are about the old NSLRT

[J.OT13]

I just had a thought; we can compare the 2012 proposed Rideau concourse level with reality. Not the same level of detail, but we can see a few differences. It could also explain the "longest transit escalator" as opposed to the three sets shown on the old plan (in front of old Rideau food court).

It seems like the station might have been shifted east based on the location of elevators to street level and the absence of the diagonal corridor.

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

https://ottawa.ca/en/business/doing-busi...n-confederation-line-light-rail-stations

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Jamaican-Phoenix

I just noticed there are 543 pages on the Confederation Line... :O

That's nothing, you should see how many pages there are on the still only on paper Scarborough subway over on the UT forum.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I just had a thought; we can compare the 2012 proposed Rideau concourse level with reality. Not the same level of detail, but we can see a few differences. It could also explain the "longest transit escalator" as opposed to the three sets shown on the old plan (in front of old Rideau food court).

It seems like the station might have been shifted east based on the location of elevators to street level and the absence of the diagonal corridor.





https://ottawa.ca/en/business/doing-busi...n-confederation-line-light-rail-stations

It also seems like the "longest escalator" must now be almost directly under Rideau street, or slightly diagonal, since it's tied to the Sussex drive entrance yet at the mezanine the entrance is dead center over the tracks

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

It also seems like the "longest escalator" must now be almost directly under Rideau street, or slightly diagonal, since it's tied to the Sussex drive entrance yet at the mezanine the entrance is dead center over the tracks

Good Day.

@ J.OT13 - good catch.
This showsboth the fact of early design proposals before going to contract being exactly that - early proposals, and the difference in result after the contractor actually gets his hands on it.

...be right back....
Back...

Thx, J.OT13, post 10856 below.....

Yup, slightly diagonal, but not as much as I think kmcamp implies, since that first level descent alcove is still there,
that intersects / joins the 2 escalators of the Sussex entrance escalator and the Rideau mall escalator to feed the 'longest' escalator down.
I think that there are several odd angles, to get around services infrastructure and building support pilings.
We shall all see whence it finally opens.

EnJoy!

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

It also seems like the "longest escalator" must now be almost directly under Rideau street, or slightly diagonal, since it's tied to the Sussex drive entrance yet at the mezanine the entrance is dead center over the tracks

Yup. As we can see on the picture here, the stairs and escalators are diagonal.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Rideau Station west concourse fare gates.


https://twitter.com/MathieuFleury/status/1132660182775996416

[Kitchissippi]

Now I wonder if the decision to shift that escalator/stair shaft diagonally towards the middle of the street where all the sewer and water pipes are contributed to the sinkhole happening.

[sseguin]

New

Snapshot video for Blair, Cyrville, St. Laurent, Tremblay and Hurdman Stations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7YC6c2Cp5o

[kmcamp]

Meanwhile in KW another first, though one nobody wanted

https://www.kitchenertoday.com/local-news/ion-train-involved-in-a-crash-1483536

[Corvulpes]

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