Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[Dengler Avenue]

If the B-Line gets too crowded, though, Translink may wanna have 41 go to/come from UBC during AM/PM rush (respectively).

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

They're overhauling Arbutus & 41st to accommodate the B-Line. When even Kerrisdale is on board with the changes, then no, there's not much chance of anybody else getting in the way.

Well, in this case, it's just queue jumpers in Kerrisdale.
Remember when they were saying the 98B would destroy the neighborhood?

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

the ROW there is already wide enough for sidewalks and 8 lane of traffic. get rid of parking, as there shouldn't be any on arterial's at all anyways, and there is enough space for the lanes needed.

Originally Posted by logan5

As long as the stretch of 41st around Oakridge is being redeveloped, they should be planning for dedicated bus lanes in the median. Looking at the development so far, the new buildings aren't stepped back to provide for this. With the ongoing redevelopment of 41st, and the introduction of a B-Line route, you would ultimately want to provide an actual rapid transit service. It's quite likely we will see the redevelopment of most of the stretch of 41st from Joyce Station to UBC, so this would be a realistic long term goal.

41st is only 8 lanes total at its widest parts. Deeper into Point Grey, say Dunbar St., it's only 4 lanes wide.


Median bus lanes would require median bus stops and road reconstruction, and then you're basically asking for BRT, which there's not money for.

They need to extend the bus priority lanes to the rest of Point Grey westbound, not just eastbound, and turn the excess centre lane between Dunbar and Kerrisdale into a left-turning lane (or remove a lane on westbound to turn into a bus lane, and leave a parking lane, whichever's more palatable.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Don't forget the Canada Line - "creme de la creme vancouver" should get you the relevant site, even on Bing.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by fredinno

41st is only 8 lanes total at its widest parts. Deeper into Point Grey, say Dunbar St., it's only 4 lanes wide.

i know, i was replying to specifically about the portion by Oakridge.

Originally Posted by fredinno

Median bus lanes would require median bus stops and road reconstruction, and then you're basically asking for BRT, which there's not money for.

also, just because the whole corridor doesn't have the space it doesn't mean there cant be a portion, right by the Canada-Line station which will be busy, that has a dedicated portion to make it easier for people.

smart City people would have made that a condition of development to pay for these possible inclusions adjacent to their P/L, which goes quite far since it is a large property.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

also, just because the whole corridor doesn't have the space it doesn't mean there cant be a portion, right by the Canada-Line station which will be busy, that has a dedicated portion to make it easier for people.

smart City people would have made that a condition of development to pay for these possible inclusions adjacent to their P/L, which goes quite far since it is a large property.

Our buses open on the right side, though. The median would be on the left. Methinks TransLink would want to use the vehicles they already have, instead of spending millions on new ones.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Our buses open on the right side, though. The median would be on the left. Methinks TransLink would want to use the vehicles they already have, instead of spending millions on new ones.

doesn't need to be in a median, it could be against the curb. the point is there is space and doesn't change anything i said. no one said it has to be median based. plus you could always do it the #3rd way Richmond had if you wanted to. lots of options because there's lots of space.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

doesn't need to be in a median, it could be against the curb. the point is there is space and doesn't change anything i said. no one said it has to be median based. plus you could always do it the #3rd way Richmond had if you wanted to. lots of options because there's lots of space.

A dedicated bus lane on the curbside is an option, but there's more interaction with traffic which will slow things down, as people will be turning right onto the side streets which in some cases will result in a collision.

Looking at the developments at Elizabeth St. and Willow Street (near Oakridge), they are not stepping back at all. That's disappointing to see.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Don't forget the Canada Line - "creme de la creme vancouver" should get you the relevant site, even on Bing.

lol no: https://www.bing.com/search?q=creme+de+l...k=&cvid=67DC783BDE7F4367832E015D8EE8ED94


I can't find the original quote. It was still stupid though.

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

doesn't need to be in a median, it could be against the curb. the point is there is space and doesn't change anything i said. no one said it has to be median based. plus you could always do it the #3rd way Richmond had if you wanted to. lots of options because there's lots of space.

You were talking about median bus lanes, so which is it? Also, what's being built here is the #3rd way, aside from the eastbound-only sections in Point Grey and transit priority in Kerrisdale (not bus lanes)

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by fredinno

You were talking about median bus lanes, so which is it? Also, what's being built here is the #3rd way, aside from the eastbound-only sections in Point Grey and transit priority in Kerrisdale (not bus lanes)

Logan, not Future.

[dandor31]

I'm very happy to see the bus lanes for the 41st B-Line! I just have two related thoughts:

• Why not make the lanes 24hrs? Then there is no confusions. Surely parking demand after 7pm is low, so would people really be impacted? If you can find alternative parking in peak hours (when lanes are in operation) then you can find it in off-peak hours.
• Should the 99 B-Line also be upgraded to 7am-7pm bus lanes? I know the millennium extension is coming, but it would be a great short term improvement. Obviously the same 24hr bus lane argument also stand for this.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by dandor31

I'm very happy to see the bus lanes for the 41st B-Line! I just have two related thoughts:

• Why not make the lanes 24hrs? Then there is no confusions. Surely parking demand after 7pm is low, so would people really be impacted? If you can find alternative parking in peak hours (when lanes are in operation) then you can find it in off-peak hours.
• Should the 99 B-Line also be upgraded to 7am-7pm bus lanes? I know the millennium extension is coming, but it would be a great short term improvement. Obviously the same 24hr bus lane argument also stand for this.

Technically we have a dedicated B-Line thread for this.

I will add one more: permanent bus lanes on Hastings Street too.

[Aroundtheworld]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Our buses open on the right side, though. The median would be on the left. Methinks TransLink would want to use the vehicles they already have, instead of spending millions on new ones.

You could do it with right-door buses in the median. You would just need to separate the stations for each direction, with a stop serving each direction on each side of the intersection.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

You could do it with right-door buses in the median. You would just need to separate the stations for each direction, with a stop serving each direction on each side of the intersection.

Ontario’s York Region Transit’s viva expresses do just that.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by fredinno

You were talking about median bus lanes, so which is it? Also, what's being built here is the #3rd way, aside from the eastbound-only sections in Point Grey and transit priority in Kerrisdale (not bus lanes)

i was talking about bus lanes in general, Logan was talking median, i was talking that they could be median, or curb or whatever other method people can dream up. point is, there should have been requirements for it along the stretch of the P/L of Oakridge.

Originally Posted by dandor31

Why not make the lanes 24hrs? Then there is no confusions. Surely parking demand after 7pm is low, so would people really be impacted? If you can find alternative parking in peak hours (when lanes are in operation) then you can find it in off-peak hours.

CoV is afraid of resident backlash for removing parking. they are afraid of 7am-7pm, let alone 24hrs. even though it should be no stopping anytime 24/7 on basically all arterial streets. (yes this is the real reason; they are afraid to make hard, correct decisions)

Originally Posted by dandor31

Should the 99 B-Line also be upgraded to 7am-7pm bus lanes? I know the millennium extension is coming, but it would be a great short term improvement. Obviously the same 24hr bus lane argument also stand for this.

doing it on Broadway is much harder because the parking is ~90% occupied during the daytime for the businesses and there aren't many other options nearby.


41st is the opposite and like ~90% empty all the time with lots of other options.


really what is needed is advanced right-turn-lanes during Bus-Lane times to clear out right turn people before the pedestrians clog it all up. and it needs to be advanced because peds don't listen to don't-walk signs.

[logan5]

Yeah, running our current buses in the median is an option as long as there is space on the road for the stations and lanes. The development at 41st and Knight is not set back at all, so a true bus rapid transit service along 41st is a pipe dream.


https://betterbrt.growingeastcounty.com/portfolio/median-stations/

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I will add one more: permanent bus lanes on Hastings Street too.

Yes please - practically every other route through Burnaby depends on Hastings moving smoothly.

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

You could do it with right-door buses in the median. You would just need to separate the stations for each direction, with a stop serving each direction on each side of the intersection.

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Ontario’s York Region Transit’s viva expresses do just that.

Sure, but that'd be 3-4 lanes out of 8. Implementing such a stop at Oakridge may or may not end up being as haphazardly contrived as the last three Thrones episodes.

[Aroundtheworld]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Yes please - practically every other route through Burnaby depends on Hastings moving smoothly.


Sure, but that'd be 3-4 lanes out of 8. Implementing such a stop at Oakridge may or may not end up being as haphazardly contrived as the last three Thrones episodes.

Even taking 3 out of 6 is feasible. In each direction, you would have a through lane plus one turning lane on each side of the intersection. You would be taking away car traffic lanes but that would be more than compensated by the additional BRT capacity. Also, local buses could also stop at these stations.

[nname]

North Shore Skytrain?

Feasibility study started:
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/translink-north-shore-rapid-transit-study-2019

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by nname

North Shore Skytrain?

Feasibility study started:
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/translink-north-shore-rapid-transit-study-2019

To be fair the title says "rapid transit line" and the article says the "study could also explore increased use of the inlet waterway through an extended SeaBus network" so it's not all about Skytrain.

Personally I hope any improvements go to North Van while West Van is ignored (with the possible exception of a 'station' at Park Royal). If West Van doesn't need an express bus beyond Park Royal...

[logan5]

It would be nice if Kenneth Chan provided a link so we can see for ourselves the exact language used in this announcement.

If they are saying rapid transit and fixed link, that tells me they want to build a bridge of some kind. A bridge with a BRT lane makes the most sense. A BRT vehicle would be almost as fast as Skytrain because you're not dealing with a lot of street level traffic in this situation. It would be one long express route straight to Waterfront Station from the foot of Lonsdale.