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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 9:15 PM
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I enjoyed Jamie's emphasis on transit but found her to be totally clueless on the topic.

For corridors like Federal or Broadway you'd want to go with Light rail not streetcar as a mode. IIRC, streetcars only provide about a 20% discount to light rail. Perhaps due to their narrower profile they might be better on Colfax. Only places I'm aware of that have streetcars use them primarily in the city core. It's a pretty expensive toy but if you're only going say a half mile then the cost can be reasonable.

bunt's correct in that Jamie just comes up with fanciful financing ideas without having a clue whether they make any sense or not. They don't.

Denver is struggling just to find money for bike lanes and sidewalks. No way are voters likely to support the kind of investment needed for any kind of rail project. First objection would be that they already pay RTD taxes - and they'd be right.
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Denver is struggling just to find money for bike lanes and sidewalks. No way are voters likely to support the kind of investment needed for any kind of rail project. First objection would be that they already pay RTD taxes - and they'd be right.
Don't confuse Denver voters with Denver metro area voters.
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 10:27 PM
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Well..... looks like we shouldn't jump to mushroom conclusions.....
Initiated Ordinance 301
YES/FOR - SI/EN FAVOR DE
89,320 votes
50.56%
NO/AGAINST - NO/EN CONTRA DE
87,341 votes
49.44%

The yes's just pulled ahead.....
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 11:23 PM
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Don't confuse Denver voters with Denver metro area voters.
You mean don't sell Denver voters short? That's a reasonable question. Of course a lot would depend on exactly what's being proposed.

wong's ballpark figure of $3 billion is not unreasonable. I've estimated 15 miles of urban light rail at $2.5-$3 billion depending on amount of grade separation. Jamie appears to be suggesting something closer to 25 miles or over $4 billion. And that's based on today's $'s which may no longer be available. But how would that pencil out over 30 years and how would taxpayers pay for it? Good question.

If you were to focus primarily on the city core it might make more sense and be more financially feasible. But would that appeal to all of the city's voters? If you're thinking of all of Denver then it's the SE corridor that's most devoid of existing light rail options which is why I like Broadway to Speer/Leetsdale corridor. Add in Colorado Blvd between I-25 and the A Line 40th street station is how I get to 15 miles.

If all you want is for a streetcar to run along Larimer or Market streets through RiNo and circle around then a streetcar could be done for much less.
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 11:36 PM
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Holy crap. Denver approved mushroom decriminalization. What the hell?

Were the voters high????? I realize the law doesn't make mushrooms legal, it simply takes the view that Denver won't prosecute people for mushrooms.

But the optics are horrible and will be on every talk show tomorrow. I don't think anyone bothered to oppose this actively because nobody that it had any chance of passing. Now the New York Times is sending out news alerts on this.

Ugh.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/08/denver-psychedelic-magic-mushroom/
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 11:47 PM
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Holy crap. Denver approved mushroom decriminalization. What the hell?

Were the voters high????? I realize the law doesn't make mushrooms legal, it simply takes the view that Denver won't prosecute people for mushrooms.

But the optics are horrible and will be on every talk show tomorrow. I don't think anyone bothered to oppose this actively because nobody that it had any chance of passing. Now the New York Times is sending out news alerts on this.

Ugh.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/08/denver-psychedelic-magic-mushroom/
What optics? I don't get why do we care about negative optics from conservative news sources.
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 11:49 PM
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Holy crap. Denver approved mushroom decriminalization. What the hell?

Were the voters high????? I realize the law doesn't make mushrooms legal, it simply takes the view that Denver won't prosecute people for mushrooms.

But the optics are horrible and will be on every talk show tomorrow. I don't think anyone bothered to oppose this actively because nobody that it had any chance of passing. Now the New York Times is sending out news alerts on this.

Ugh.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/08/denver-psychedelic-magic-mushroom/
Yeah but anyone who actually reads the bill would ask ‘why the fuck hasn’t every city passed this’. It’s really basic common sense.
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 11:57 PM
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Yeah but anyone who actually reads the bill would ask ‘why the fuck hasn’t every city passed this’. It’s really basic common sense.
Agreed. Voted for it and I wasn’t high. 😏
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I can't help but digest this further to examine what are the potential implications for Denver's reputation? The passage of legal pot in 2014 definitely gave Denver a boost of being a "fun" "hip" town, which probably propelled folks to move here. Could the passage of this re-invigorate that image we have?
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What optics? I don't get why do we care about negative optics from conservative news sources.
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This race makes me glad I live in District 3 (right on the edge, the opposite side of our street is District 1)
Torres is the Chair of DHA and both she and Barela (who was the president of NEWSED) talk about the need for home ownership, apartment construction and improving the developer/community relationship. ...
As a fellow dist-3er I totally agree. I have interacted with both of them and they are both fairly level headed advocates for inclusive housing and offsetting the negative affects of gentrification and maintaining neighborhood diversity without decrying change or unnecessarily demonizing developers. Took me a bit to decide but I always liked Torres' style so she got my vote in the end.
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This race makes me glad I live in District 3 (right on the edge, the opposite side of our street is District 1)
Thanks for the feedback. That was generally my take-away impression.

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Agreed. Voted for it and I wasn’t high. 😏
Soft-Hearted Hana by George Harrison

I ate it and at once my eyes could see you
No sooner had I ooped it down
l felt so far off from the ground I stood on

My legs they seemed to me like high-rise buildings
My head was high up in the sky
My skin the sun began to fry like bacon

I fell in love with my Soft-Hearted Hana
She entered right in through my heart
And now although we're miles apart
I still feel her

She lives beneath the crater in the meadow
She moves among the fruit and grain
You can meet her after heavy rain has fallen
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The first building permits for the 2601 Alcott project have been submitted to the City:


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Old Posted May 9, 2019, 5:18 AM
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The first building permits for the 2601 Alcott project have been submitted to the City:

Tessler is quite an interesting fellow. He owned property in Denver for four decades before he decided to develop Atelier at University Park at 2450 So University Blvd.

Now this:


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The only other project of this size that comes to mind is Holland Partner's Pivot/Union Station apartments which included Whole Foods.
Two-thirds of the units to be condos? Those things should sell like hotcakes.

Btw, I just checked and the 10-year T-Bill is sitting at (only) 2.47%; it's a great time to build anything but especially condos.
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Old Posted May 9, 2019, 5:22 AM
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Has there been any discussion about the Smokestack 40 development at 40th & York? City council approved the rezoning. Includes 700 new housing units.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.denverpost.com/2019/05/06/denver-elyria-swansea-development/amp/
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Old Posted May 9, 2019, 5:55 AM
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Has there been any discussion about the Smokestack 40 development at 40th & York? City council approved the rezoning. Includes 700 new housing units.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.denverpost.com/2019/05/06/denver-elyria-swansea-development/amp/
Nada except for me but then today we have this update.

https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/...opment.html?iana=hpmvp_den_news_headline
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Following a Denver City Council vote to rezone the site of a former AT&T call center, a husband-and-wife development team say they’re going to move at a faster pace to build a 700-unit housing development in the city’s Elyria-Swansea neighborhood to take advantage of public incentives in the opportunity zone. The development is going to consist of 50% new construction; the other half will be repurposing the call center, which closed in 2018.
Projected time frame?
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Once building permits are obtained, crews will start with the repurposing of the call center this summer.

The development, which is expected to cost as much as $200 million, is inside one of Colorado’s 126 opportunity zones, which allows investors to put capital-gains windfalls into businesses or properties and receive substantial tax reductions on the current and future earnings of those properties if they keep the money there for five to 10 years or longer.

Because of that, they have to start work quickly. Those who invest before 2020 get a reduction of 15 percent on the tax base for the gains.
The reference to this year's 15 percent is like a kicker that's only available in 2019 but the incentives next year will still be impressive and should be attractive to investors.
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The first building permits for the 2601 Alcott project have been submitted to the City:
Sweetness. That's a few blocks from me and I go by it daily..... I will be keeping an eye out for activity.
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hahaha THIIIIS
His reference was to 'talk shows.'

Like this?
The View, The Ellen DeGeneres Show, The Daily Show, The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel Live!, Dr. Phil, The Real, Conan, Real Time with Bill Maher etc.
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His reference was to 'talk shows.'

Like this?
The View, The Ellen DeGeneres Show, The Daily Show, The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel Live!, Dr. Phil, The Real, Conan, Real Time with Bill Maher etc.
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I saw on Facebook that there was an office groundbreaking in RiNo but I couldn't read the article because I don't have a Denver Business Journal subscription. Anybody know which development broke ground?
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