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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 12:47 PM
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[*]Rideau 34,000: City's premier entertainment/shopping destination and tourist hub.
Turns out I was pretty close (if they count total usage and not just entries).

Again though, why have this open house mid-day Friday? Why can't they do this evenings or weekends?

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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 12:56 PM
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Did they install these signs for drivers? Such a terrible placement.
There has to be some kind of recommendations by whoever designed them on where they should go.
So the distance is written under the pedestrian pictograph of Elgin/Laurier. Why not have that on all the signs or at least the ones over a certain distance (100 meters)? Wellington West to Tunney's is quite far (500 meters).
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 1:05 PM
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So the distance is written under the pedestrian pictograph of Elgin/Laurier. Why not have that on all the signs or at least the ones over a certain distance (100 meters)? Wellington West to Tunney's is quite far (500 meters).
While these signs are an excellent idea, and way better than what they used to do for Transitway wayfinding, the execution is still a bit half baked
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 1:12 PM
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They no longer seem to be doing a full dry run, train frequencies have been around 8ish the past little bit. I wonder if it's because they are figuring out what lessons to apply from the previous full run and derailment
     
     
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They no longer seem to be doing a full dry run, train frequencies have been around 8ish the past little bit. I wonder if it's because they are figuring out what lessons to apply from the previous full run and derailment
They definitely are not in the 12 day testing period yet.

I had a friend confirm that to me who works on the project. Unfortunately, he's also expecting further delays.
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 4:11 PM
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They definitely are not in the 12 day testing period yet.

I had a friend confirm that to me who works on the project. Unfortunately, he's also expecting further delays.
Did he give you an estimate? What else did he say?
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 4:43 PM
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The long, heavily redacted, road to answers on Ottawa's LRT project

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: May 8, 2019




Gleaning information from the City of Ottawa on its largest-ever infrastructure project takes time.

In some cases, two years.

And counting.

One of the oldest unresolved LRT-related access-to-information requests is one submitted by the Citizen in April 2017. It sought records produced over a period of five months on risk analysis, risk management and risk mitigation related to the milestones and handover date for the Stage 1 LRT project.

The city has signed off on the release of some heavily redacted records, but the Rideau Transit Group (RTG) has appealed the release of additional material as an entity with third-party interests in the disclosure.

RTG, the builder of the $2.1-billion rail project, has the right to appeal the disclosure under freedom-of-information law, so the office of the Ontario Information and Privacy Commissioner will eventually make a determination on whether or not the records can be released. That’s where the request stands today.

As for the heavily redacted records the city agreed to make public, by the time those documents arrived in recent days, they were very out of date. The records outline some options for launching the LRT system between June and September 2018, although the budgets had been set up to accommodate a July 1, 2018 launch. There was also evidence of the city preparing for a later launch if RTG delayed the handover.

Today, the city awaits word from RTG about when the builder will finish the rail system after missing three previous deadlines. The latest best guess is for a handover by the end of June 2019.

Several full pages from the 127-page record were removed because the city deemed they included details that reveal recommendations by staff or consultants, trade secrets or scientific, technical, commercial, financial or labour relations information, information that would hurt the city’s economic or financial interests, information that hasn’t been made public yet or information that’s subject to solicitor-client privilege.

Those are all reasons available to the city to hold back information under the province’s Municipal Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act.

The municipal freedom-of-information law has been used dozens of times since 2013 in response to request about the LRT program.

Local researcher Ken Rubin won an important ruling from the information and privacy adjudicator last year, opening the door to the city releasing non-conformance reports logged on the ongoing construction of the LRT system. RTG blocked the release of the information, leading to Rubin’s successful appeal. The non-conformance records have revealed deficiencies with concrete, waterproofing and drainage.

Rubin continues to fight for observation reports on LRT construction made outside of the non-conformance reporting process. He learned the city was collecting information and taking pictures of the work, but the city wants thousands of dollars in processing fees to produce the records. He’s appealing the fee.

Even insiders have had trouble getting their hands on publicly held information about the LRT project.

Rick Chiarelli, who, as a city council member, is one of 24 top bosses of the municipal corporation, had to file an access-to-information request in 2018 in an attempt to get details about land acquisitions for Stage 1 LRT. He’s even had to appeal to the information and privacy commissioner. The case continues.

Official updates on Stage 1 construction happen monthly, but it wasn’t until RTG was poised to miss its first handover deadline in early 2018 that council members demanded regular in-person reports from staff. This month’s construction update is scheduled for Friday.

Requests for information won’t subside with the eventual opening of Stage 1.

Councillors tried to pry information out of city lawyers before approving the $4.6-billion Stage 2 project in March, but the legal team wouldn’t disclose key information about how the city selected two construction groups to build the rail extensions.

Rarely, if ever, are council members told that they can’t receive information held by the municipal government — not even in a closed session with the public kept out of the room.

The enforced secrecy has hampered the city’s ability to clearly articulate its own decisions when it comes to Stage 2. When CBC Ottawa cited unnamed sources in reporting that SNC-Lavalin didn’t meet a technical threshold in bid scoring, the city said the confidentiality of the procurement process was the most important thing and it didn’t address the allegation head-on.

Because council and the public couldn’t get information from their own municipal staff, the auditor general started an investigation of the Stage 2 procurement process, likely requiring the services of rail consultants to help navigate the complexities of hiring rail builders.

Naturally, the city is starting to receive official requests for records regarding Stage 2.

There will be no shortage of work for the city’s access-to-information branch as long as the city builds LRT.

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Did he give you an estimate? What else did he say?
He figures end of the year.

He gave alot of reasons why he thinks this, but I also don't want to get him in any trouble. He also figured it could go earlier due to pressure on the mayor to open the line.
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 5:37 PM
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I don't mind that it's late. It happens. It's a massive project. My problem is that every single deadline presented so far (May 24, 2018 - November 1, 2018 - March 31, 2019 and quite possibly end of Q2 2019) were clearly unachievable.

So why did the City and RTG continue to miss-direct the citizens of this city? This is not helpful. This is what creates the negativity and skepticism around the project.
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 5:52 PM
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Seems like they're doing some test just East of Bayview Station on the EB track where trains are stopping for at least 5 minutes before crawling to Pimisi.
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 5:57 PM
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He figures end of the year.

He gave alot of reasons why he thinks this, but I also don't want to get him in any trouble. He also figured it could go earlier due to pressure on the mayor to open the line.
Oof, end of year? I can't imagine them wanting to open in the snow, but hey.

Thanks for the info.
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 6:26 PM
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Seems like they're doing some test just East of Bayview Station on the EB track where trains are stopping for at least 5 minutes before crawling to Pimisi.
Testing what happens to the line as a whole if travel times suddenly spike in one segment? Could be an emergency situations test, like how to cope if an event occurs that suddenly slows things down.

Would be nice if they published each day's itinerary with a quick write up of objectives. That's something the city staff who write the weekly reports could be doing.
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 8:23 PM
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He figures end of the year.

He gave alot of reasons why he thinks this, but I also don't want to get him in any trouble. He also figured it could go earlier due to pressure on the mayor to open the line.

I could totally see why if he's on the project he would think this, but I believe it's unlikely to be that long. You aren't going to solve every issue, it's going to be a business decision in the end on RTG's part, what is the risk vs cost. They will at some point decide when the risk (which they still own since they maintain the thing for 30 years) is not worth holding it from handover. The project will never be perfect, because nothing is. Those on the project will know it's many flaws, but eventually management will make a call that it's worth it go ahead.
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 8:55 PM
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I could totally see why if he's on the project he would think this, but I believe it's unlikely to be that long. You aren't going to solve every issue, it's going to be a business decision in the end on RTG's part, what is the risk vs cost. They will at some point decide when the risk (which they still own since they maintain the thing for 30 years) is not worth holding it from handover. The project will never be perfect, because nothing is. Those on the project will know it's many flaws, but eventually management will make a call that it's worth it go ahead.
Examples, we all know the arrival announcements seem poorly synced, this wouldn't likely prevent handover. There's still all the unproven resolutions to winter issues, they are unlikely to wait until next winter to be sure the solutions actually work.
     
     
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https://twitter.com/MichaelSuddard/status/1126191194814537729

"Oops"

Apparently the MUP between Lees and uOttawa is not supposed to be open yet and the linked chain of tweets details an interesting tale of some big mess ups by RTG (or the City?) which led to the path being left wide open before it was supposed to be.
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 9:51 PM
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Oof, end of year? I can't imagine them wanting to open in the snow, but hey.

Thanks for the info.
End of year? I admit I don’t know myself, but from a status of 12 of 13 stations occupancy certified, all trains certified, and daily testing unabated (except for some deviations here and there) I don’t see how there is another 7 months of work to be done.

Seems unrealistically pessimistic...
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 10:54 PM
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The city has to be close to 100% sure that the Confederation Line does not shut down after service begins. Because our transit system will be so dependent of the Confederation Line, an unexpected closure will be major pie in the face to the mayor and City Council. Can you imagine the public reaction if people are forced to walk to Tunney's, Bayview, Hurdman and Blair from downtown? Getting beyond Hurdman to the east will be particularly difficult for pedestrians. City Council will be tarred and feathered.

The selling pitch for the Confederation Line is operational efficiencies but I have pointed out the lack of redundancy will spell trouble for public confidence in the event of failure. Ottawa is performing a big experiment because it is not maintaining service in directions not well served by the Confederation Line.

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To beat a dead horse deader, we've had the entire alignment complete for over a year now. I don't understand why we are still having issues with announcements or signalling.
     
     
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https://www.grt.ca/en/ion-light-rail.aspx

ION light rail service starts on Friday, June 21, 2019.

Your move Ottawa.
     
     
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Old Posted May 9, 2019, 3:41 AM
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Technically a June 20th opening is still possible.
     
     
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