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Old Posted Apr 30, 2019, 8:54 PM
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An air-rights parcel is a property subdivision where the resulting "parcel" is a 3-dimensional volume located above grade level (i.e. in the air).

For example, buildings that straddle the SkyTrain tracks would occupy an air-rights parcel (assuming TransLink or the Province retains ownership of the underlying land).

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I like the formalist grid on the bookend buildings of that first rendering.
That looks like a nice clean way of adding some sun shading and solid surface.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2019, 9:33 PM
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Thank-you ChangingCity for the explanation. I understood air rights as something different.

Maybe there's some legal reason why it would have to be 3 seperate buildings, or they're building this in phases? Otherwise it seems like a waste to build 3 separate structures here.
     
     
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I just saw this on a post about the hastings/clark development. That's quite the change for the area.


Rendering of potential development along East Hastings Street, from Hawks to Clark Drive. Credit: City of Vancouver

full article: https://urbanyvr.com/east-hastings-clark-onni
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1220-1298 East Hastings is actually one structural building with three different facades and entrances and three independent building programs. They share the same parking structure, utility service and metering facility, and overall building superstructure, but there is no inter-connectivity between the three building programs above grade. Each building program has its own vertical circulation cores, too. Here are the floor plans:

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applicatio...ments/1220-1298EHastingsSt-FloorPlan.pdf
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I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, but by "vertical circulation cores", do you mean stairs?
     
     
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That's not likely to be what the non-market housing will look like. It'll either be an air-right parcel (as Wall built in Strathcona Village) or a separate structure, as Onni are proposing here. Either way the freehold is handed to the City of Vancouver, who in turn select a non-market operator to lease and manage the units.

The Onni project has 38 studios at 318 sq. ft., 11 2-bed units of 781 sq. ft and 6 3-bed units of 1,070 sq. ft. The City are almost always looking to include 30% non-market family housing in these projects, as it's the supply that is most needed.
I wonder if the city fully understands what it costs to maintain Onni built rentals.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2019, 11:50 PM
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I just saw this on a post about the hastings/clark development. That's quite the change for the area.



full article: https://urbanyvr.com/east-hastings-clark-onni
At this rate we will see a full build out like that rendering in about 80 years. This is old news.

Hastings will eventually get high density development all the way up to Nanaimo Street. Hastings and Commercial would be an excellent place to live because you would have Hastings-Sunrise to the east of you, Commercial Dr. to the south, and downtown to the west. All very close by. Yet those properties don't have any proposals that I know of. Have a few developers hogged up too much property?
     
     
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Old Posted May 1, 2019, 12:31 AM
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Arrow Significant step IMO (suggest reading urbanyr link)

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I just saw this on a post about the hastings/clark development. That's quite the change for the area.


Rendering of potential development along East Hastings Street, from Hawks to Clark Drive. Credit: City of Vancouver

full article: https://urbanyvr.com/east-hastings-clark-onni
Good stuff IMO. They are increasing city density, doing it in a challenging area of rough, raw, industrial, ugly sprawl, keeping to the tradional architectual style as best they can,
and are growing out the city, a vital necessity in any growing city, in a way that is in keeping with perhaps modest-looking yet distinctively early-Vancouver look.
Hope it happens elsewhere, too.
     
     
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Question 1717 Lorne

Anyone know about a project at 1717 Lorne?

The entire south side of the block, between Main and Lorne, south side of 1st Avenue, appears to be headed for UDP tomorrow. Third item on the agenda.

Description has it including a 10-storey industrial/office building and a 13-storey residential building with 216 residential units. Can't seem to find any other info on it though. False Creek Flats Plan has it as 'innovation hub mixed-use prototype' within the 'Creative Campus'.
     
     
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I just saw this on a post about the hastings/clark development. That's quite the change for the area.


Rendering of potential development along East Hastings Street, from Hawks to Clark Drive. Credit: City of Vancouver

full article: https://urbanyvr.com/east-hastings-clark-onni
I like it. There has always been a ton of potential along that section of Hastings without completely displacing everyone and everything.
     
     
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Anyone know about a project at 1717 Lorne?

The entire south side of the block, between Main and Lorne, south side of 1st Avenue, appears to be headed for UDP tomorrow. Third item on the agenda.

Description has it including a 10-storey industrial/office building and a 13-storey residential building with 216 residential units. Can't seem to find any other info on it though. False Creek Flats Plan has it as 'innovation hub mixed-use prototype' within the 'Creative Campus'.
Just this but the pic is old:

https://changingcitybook.wordpress.com/2019/04/30/1717-lorne-street/
     
     
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Mixed-Use Project Planned for Main & East 1st

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QuadReal and Hungerford Properties have submitted a development application for the former Ralph’s Radio site industrial/commercial project at 220 East 1st Avenue (Main Street & East 1st Avenue).

Proposed is a 10-storey stacked-industrial and office building on the western portion of the site and a 13-storey residential building on the eastern side of the site. This development falls within the False Creek Flats, FC-2 zoning classification. Details include:

215 residential units;
40,370 SF of industrial space on the main and 2nd floors;
81,075 SF of office space;
a large rooftop amenity;
an Arts Walk seperating the residential and commercial buildings;
a total density of 6.5 FSR.








     
     
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I just saw this on a post about the hastings/clark development. That's quite the change for the area.


Rendering of potential development along East Hastings Street, from Hawks to Clark Drive. Credit: City of Vancouver

full article: https://urbanyvr.com/east-hastings-clark-onni
Looks like what's happening on the Macdonald-Alma stretch. This (minus the gentrification) should be the end goal for most of our commercial streets.
     
     
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Nice find.

It's a shame the projects at the intersection of 2nd and Main weren't as urban in focus and expression.
     
     
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Makes sense to put the office space on the noisier street, but then you have residential encroaching onto the light industrial spaces to the east.

Here's the location.
Note the proximity to Red Truck Brewing and the adjacent office application.
But there is residential (live-work) on the south side of 2nd Ave/GNW in the area.


https://www.google.com/maps/place/220+E+...ae3f1c1a8!8m2!3d49.269599!4d-123.0998213
     
     
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Makes sense to put the office space on the noisier street, but then you have residential encroaching onto the light industrial spaces to the east.
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False Creek Flats Plan has it as 'innovation hub mixed-use prototype' within the 'Creative Campus'.
Appears to be a one-off under the Flats plan for this corner
     
     
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Appears to be a one-off under the Flats plan for this corner
That makes sense, because the rest of the south side of E 1st is zoned for 'artist live-work' - which are mostly impossible to distinguish from condos. Quite a few sites have already been built.
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I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, but by "vertical circulation cores", do you mean stairs?
That's a totally fair question. A vertical circulation core is the fire-poof concrete structure that contains a fire escape stairwell and runs continuously to the ground floor (and safety). A vertical circulation core may also contain one or more elevators but there would still be fire-proof separation from the fire escape stairwell.

Depending on the size and design of the building, there could be multiple vertical circulation cores since fire code and building codes require there be a maximum distance to a fire escape vertical circulation core, so a long slab-like building is likely to have two vertical circulation cores, one of which would include the elevators and a fire escape and the other likely to just be a fire escape. Furthermore, the vertical circulation core may, or may not, be part of the structural design of the building, meaning that it is carrying structural loads.

For a low-rise wood frame building, the concrete vertical circulation cores are typically built prior to timber construction. It's my impression that the timber structure is self-supporting and does not rely on the vertical circulation core(s), though it would still be tied into it to improve lateral stability since the concrete core is far more rigid than timber.

For hybrid "tall-wood" mass timber towers like the recent Brock Commons at UBC, the concrete vertical circulation cores were integral to the structure of the building. The mass timber floors were self-supporting but relied on the cores for lateral stability. For non-hybrid mass timber buildings, the wood structure is completely self-supporting and provides its own lateral stability with the tie-in to the vertical circulation cores only providing additional (non-essential?) lateral stability.

For concrete buildings, the vertical circulation cores are integral to the structure of the building. While they are typically formed and poured a storey or two in advance of the floors and columns, they are essential to the structure's vertical and lateral loads.

For steel buildings, the vertical circulation cores are typically built prior to structural steel construction, either to their full height or well in advance of progress of steel construction. The steel structure is self-supporting and provides some lateral stability, but it must be tied into the core(s) for increased stability, particularly for high-rise buildings.

Hope that helps. If I've made any errors, I'd appreciate them being pointed out.



That 220 East 1st proposal looks great. I am looking forward to reviewing that DP once it's up on the City's website. I reviewed with interest the recent rezoning proposal for 560 Raymur Ave and wrote a letter of support for that precedent setting project.

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I'm in the market, so to speak, for interesting precedent of mixed-use commercial-industrial/residential-industrial/academic-industrial/heck, even public amenity-industrial projects.

As forum members come across future examples of mixed-use industrial projects, would you be so kind as to send links to me by direct message? I would be most appreciative.
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Latest Moderate Income Rental Application Seeks 87 Units at Renfrew & East 10th Ave
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The Molnar Group has submitted a rezoning application for a 6-lot land assembly on Renfrew Street at the Northwest corner of East 10th Avenue. The 24,899 SF site at 2543-2583 Renfrew Street and 2895 East 10th Avenue is proposed for rezoning under the City’s Moderate Income Rental Housing Pilot Program to allow for the development of a 6-storey mixed-use building including:

87 rental apartments;
13 studios, 34 one-bedrooms, 26 two-bedrooms & 14 three-bedrooms;
8,344 SF of retail at grade;
a total density of 3.42 FSR;
a maximum height of 66.5 ft.
58 underground parking stalls.






Nice to see some higher density residential development within walking distance of Renfrew Station.
     
     
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