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Old Posted Apr 26, 2019, 8:46 PM
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Sure,they call those tiny tubby hole balcony "sanctuary". Don't think if you can even fit a tiny BBQ there. Beauty but limited function
In fairness, do you really think that the likely clientele is the type that enjoys DIY outdoor grilling?
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In fairness, do you really think that the likely clientele is the type that enjoys DIY outdoor grilling?
Sure they do, it is called entertainment. Even the super ultra rich have theirs peers to entertain. It is a lifestyle.... quality of living.
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Coal Harbour , Yes. Definitely not Port Moody.
Flavelle Mills is right next to a pretty decent park (Rocky Point), is isolated by the rail tracks (which the development would have to also soundproof from) and is right next to the Ocean and Mountain Views. It'd be a better place to try Oakridge than Oakridge if they were trying to do that, and it's not taking up AAA land next to a Skytrain station. They could also enclose off part of the Inlet for a swimming/surfing pool. It at least has luxury potential.

What part of Oakridge Centre makes it a AAA location?

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Waterfront isn't as hot as before for those in the know, what with the rising sea levels, more frequent king tides and all climate-change induced flooding, smarter people would more further inland and uphill. Parts of Yaletown near the seawall is already flooded couple of times in the year. Speaking of Port Moody: there is a condo there where the underground parking needs a pump to get rid of seepage water from the high water table found there. These are all unnecessary expenses. Agree with you that not all rich people like SFHs, especially those who want to live in quality houses, and/or concrete homes.

As for Oakridge condos selling at such a high price: they need that in order for such beautiful buildings to be built: otherwise it would be another cookie-cutter rectangular spandrel-filled apartment buildings like other parts of the Lower Mainland. You pay for the aesthetics as well.
Uhh... Source?

Yaletown is being flooded? What are you going on about?


Well, yeah, but this development isn't exactly starchitect crowd-pleasers Vancouver House or Butterfly either.
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FYI, there are also rich people who need a home. Not everyone is "offloading". Prices here would still be creeping up if not for all the recent knee-jerk measures imposed by local as well as provincial governments that make it crippling to own properties here. However, this is a one-off thing, as more sanctions will make it even more difficult for even wealthy locals to own homes. As my mom used to say, property prices will always head up as long as the world population is growing: we're not creating new land here.

So yeah, your constant tirade against foreign investors may be legit to a certain extent, but no need to always beat down on the wealthy folks who have the right to own expensive properties: it still won't enable you to own one of those properties even if they are not buying, because nice stuff just won't get built. But I dunno: perhaps you have the hots for those "Vancouver Specials" and mouldy walk-ups, and prefer them to stay around in perpetuity. In that case, I digress.
Yeah, I meant investment as in riding the future price increase. Even in the most optimistic measures though, what price increases do people legit expect out of Oakridge?

It seems like Westbank is trying the 'expensive wine' strategy of telling everyone this is a AAA location and development, and people are buying into it. Will this will actually continue work once the development and area is more built out, and the RE bubble continues to deflate? (esp. in China?)

TBF, it also means that developers can't just focus on the more volatile luxury market if all the foreign investors leave.

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Sure they do, it is called entertainment. Even the super ultra rich have theirs peers to entertain. It is a lifestyle.... quality of living.
There IS a certain kind of entertainment the Santuary might be suitable for- if you're into that sort of thing. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2019, 8:45 PM
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Uhh... Source?

Yaletown is being flooded? What are you going on about?
do you not know how to use google? a very simple "yaletown flooding" is all you need to do.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3949910/dramatic-photos-flood-social-media-as-king-tide-sinks-vancouver/

seriously man, learn to google. you'll find many many many more sources if you google.
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do you not know how to use google? a very simple "yaletown flooding" is all you need to do.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3949910/dramatic-photos-flood-social-media-as-king-tide-sinks-vancouver/

seriously man, learn to google. you'll find many many many more sources if you google.
And yeah, that's even the worst one. Towards the end of the same year, another one struck:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/king-tide-false-creek-seawall-yaletown

Never happened in the past: this is a new phenomenon in recent years and is cause for concern.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2019, 2:18 AM
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Yeah, I meant investment as in riding the future price increase. Even in the most optimistic measures though, what price increases do people legit expect out of Oakridge?

It seems like Westbank is trying the 'expensive wine' strategy of telling everyone this is a AAA location and development, and people are buying into it. Will this will actually continue work once the development and area is more built out, and the RE bubble continues to deflate? (esp. in China?)

TBF, it also means that developers can't just focus on the more volatile luxury market if all the foreign investors leave.
If there are folks willing to pay for expensive stuff, then the market is still there and prices will hold. A temporary fall in property prices does not mean that it won't go back up in the future: chances are, it will, as government can't keep slapping taxes and penalties on home-buying. Just like smart mutual fund buyers do with their portfolio, smart house buyers hold on to their investments long term if they believe in the products. Short-sellers and home-flippers may get burnt during times of downturn, but many more are investing long term, and even treating their properties as part of their family heirloom for the next generation. These people deserve their right to buy and should not be insulted.

Westbank's strategy of holding those "wine events" is one way to attract potential investors to seek out their products. Such events are opportunities to provide more person-to-person interaction for potential customers to understand the products better. I don't see anything wrong with that. You need something fancy to attract the people to attend in the first place.
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do you not know how to use google? a very simple "yaletown flooding" is all you need to do.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3949910/dramatic-photos-flood-social-media-as-king-tide-sinks-vancouver/

seriously man, learn to google. you'll find many many many more sources if you google.
No, man, I use Bing.

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If there are folks willing to pay for expensive stuff, then the market is still there and prices will hold. A temporary fall in property prices does not mean that it won't go back up in the future: chances are, it will, as government can't keep slapping taxes and penalties on home-buying. Just like smart mutual fund buyers do with their portfolio, smart house buyers hold on to their investments long term if they believe in the products. Short-sellers and home-flippers may get burnt during times of downturn, but many more are investing long term, and even treating their properties as part of their family heirloom for the next generation. These people deserve their right to buy and should not be insulted.

Westbank's strategy of holding those "wine events" is one way to attract potential investors to seek out their products. Such events are opportunities to provide more person-to-person interaction for potential customers to understand the products better. I don't see anything wrong with that. You need something fancy to attract the people to attend in the first place.
Yeah, but the current situation is also a bit of an anomaly as is, since global interest rates are being kept to below 5% in general.

Location in RE matters a LOT, and Oakridge is a horrible location to create Coal Harbour 2.0. Westbank is betting on that, which is really strange, and seems to be a massive financial mistake on the long run once people realize the location doesn't justify the price.
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No, man, I use Bing.

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Yeah, but the current situation is also a bit of an anomaly as is, since global interest rates are being kept to below 5% in general.

Location in RE matters a LOT, and Oakridge is a horrible location to create Coal Harbour 2.0. Westbank is betting on that, which is really strange, and seems to be a massive financial mistake on the long run once people realize the location doesn't justify the price.
That explains it - Bing might as well be IE!

Yeah, right now even Marine Gateway is more attractive than Oakridge. That'll likely change once 41st gets a train line, but I'm not holding my breath in the meantime.
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Yeah, but the current situation is also a bit of an anomaly as is, since global interest rates are being kept to below 5% in general.

Location in RE matters a LOT, and Oakridge is a horrible location to create Coal Harbour 2.0. Westbank is betting on that, which is really strange, and seems to be a massive financial mistake on the long run once people realize the location doesn't justify the price.
The expanded mall, and the fact that the recently revised OCP (a desperate last minute decision by the Vision government just before election time) allows for the way higher densification of the surrounding town centre beside the mall site, are the most attractive qualities of this neighbourhood moving forward. It also has a public parkland close by at Queen Elizabeth Park. Other Vancouver neighbourhoods don't enjoy this. This is more in line with Vancouver's neighbouring municipalities as Oakridge is obviously trying to emulate Brentwood/Metrotown/Lougheed Centre/Surrey Central/Richmond City Centre, which are attracting more people to live there than anywhere in Vancouver.
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The expanded mall, and the fact that the recently revised OCP (a desperate last minute decision by the Vision government just before election time) allows for the way higher densification of the surrounding town centre beside the mall site, are the most attractive qualities of this neighbourhood moving forward. It also has a public parkland close by at Queen Elizabeth Park. Other Vancouver neighbourhoods don't enjoy this. This is more in line with Vancouver's neighbouring municipalities as Oakridge is obviously trying to emulate Brentwood/Metrotown/Lougheed Centre/Surrey Central/Richmond City Centre, which are attracting more people to live there than anywhere in Vancouver.
Umm, you've basically described most other suburban town centres. It's still an 8 minute walk to QE park, and your view of it is going to be obstructed by other towers eventually unless you live on the top floors.

No other Vancouver Neighborhood enjoys the park advantage- I guess you've never been to Edmonds or Metrotown? Granted, less impressive parks, but still.

Yes, prices will be higher relatively close to QE park, but $3M would be excessive located in Flavelle Mills. Even Concord with Pacific Place was nowhere near that ballzy, and it had half of False Creek all to itself! And Concord originally wanted to turn it into a luxury resort lagoon!

It's cheaper to live in Olympic Village, or False Creek South, for crying out loud. Oakridge may become the next Yaletown, but even 90s-00s Yaletown wasn't like this.
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Umm, you've basically described most other suburban town centres. It's still an 8 minute walk to QE park, and your view of it is going to be obstructed by other towers eventually unless you live on the top floors.

No other Vancouver Neighborhood enjoys the park advantage- I guess you've never been to Edmonds or Metrotown? Granted, less impressive parks, but still.

Yes, prices will be higher relatively close to QE park, but $3M would be excessive located in Flavelle Mills. Even Concord with Pacific Place was nowhere near that ballzy, and it had half of False Creek all to itself! And Concord originally wanted to turn it into a luxury resort lagoon!

It's cheaper to live in Olympic Village, or False Creek South, for crying out loud. Oakridge may become the next Yaletown, but even 90s-00s Yaletown wasn't like this.
Those are not in Vancouver. I tend to keep different cities separate. Vancouver is just behind others. Many may not agree, but I don't think OV is heading the right direction to be a nice community in the future. Sure. it's got the beautiful downtown view and the waterfront, but it itself is lacking, and need the surrounding neighbourhoods to prop it up. Oakridge development is different: future developments will gravitate around it: it is a trend-setter.
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Umm, you've basically described most other suburban town centres. It's still an 8 minute walk to QE park, and your view of it is going to be obstructed by other towers eventually unless you live on the top floors.

No other Vancouver Neighborhood enjoys the park advantage- I guess you've never been to Edmonds or Metrotown? Granted, less impressive parks, but still.

Yes, prices will be higher relatively close to QE park, but $3M would be excessive located in Flavelle Mills. Even Concord with Pacific Place was nowhere near that ballzy, and it had half of False Creek all to itself! And Concord originally wanted to turn it into a luxury resort lagoon!

It's cheaper to live in Olympic Village, or False Creek South, for crying out loud. Oakridge may become the next Yaletown, but even 90s-00s Yaletown wasn't like this.
Hit the nail on the head. We're talking Yaletown-level prices for what amounts to Lougheed, Coquitlam or Marine Gateway. It's going to take a while for anything to kick off.
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y'all discuss it like its being developed like this. LOL.


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Those are not in Vancouver. I tend to keep different cities separate. Vancouver is just behind others. Many may not agree, but I don't think OV is heading the right direction to be a nice community in the future. Sure. it's got the beautiful downtown view and the waterfront, but it itself is lacking, and need the surrounding neighbourhoods to prop it up. Oakridge development is different: future developments will gravitate around it: it is a trend-setter.
This isn't about OV. Westbank is being more ambitious with its plans than Concord was with Pacific Place, which is concerning, and was as much a trend-setter anchor development.

How much of a premium are people willing to pay to live within the boundaries of Vancouver proper, over Burnaby?

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y'all discuss it like its being developed like this. LOL.


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It might actually be better if it was this, lol.
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Why do some people opt for a Bentley/Rolls Royce even though it's expensive, a fuel guzzler and "outdated"? Why don't they get a Toyota Pruis instead?

Why do others opt for a more expensive BMW electric i8 or the Finnish Fisker when they can easily save tons by getting a Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt?

Answer: Prestige.
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The prestige of living in the boonies. Like Marine Gateway, it'll take a very long time for Oakridge to grow into a town centre.

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At $2-4 million for a two-bedroom, it might as well be.
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Westside / Oakridge is already a fairly prestigious area - but for single family homes.
The jump is assuming that that prestige / value transfers from single family homes to condos (especially when there is a lot of other product in the vicinity).
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Yeah. I just can't figure out who the Oakridge market is for outside of speculators/investors in 2019. When a one bedroom, 650sqft unit on the 28th floor (that includes the balcony) goes for close to two million dollars, one has to wonder how any single person can afford it on the typical Vancouver salary. And why would they purchase it? The neighborhood isn't comparable to other, less expensive areas in the city, and it's 40 blocks from downtown.

I think the Oakridge redevelopment could have only been born out of the insane conditions that Vancouver's "gold rush" real estate has gone through in the last few years. I can't see this project having a future in its current form. Things are going to have to change.
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Westside / Oakridge is already a fairly prestigious area - but for single family homes.
The jump is assuming that that prestige / value transfers from single family homes to condos (especially when there is a lot of other product in the vicinity).
Exactly. A few other projects will complement Oakridge Town Centre: namely the Pearson Dogwood project, Langara Gardens, the old Translink bus yard, Heather Lands (RCMP) and even Little Mountain, are all in the vicinity of the development. The in-betweens will just be filled-in in no time.

Pearson Dogwood:
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-langara-gardens-redevelopment-policy-statement-march-2018

Heather Lands:
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-heather-lands-redevelopment-approved-may-2018


The most expensive buildings and condos will be found centrally, ie. at Oakridge mall.
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Yeah. I just can't figure out who the Oakridge market is for outside of speculators/investors in 2019. When a one bedroom, 650sqft unit on the 28th floor (that includes the balcony) goes for close to two million dollars, one has to wonder how any single person can afford it on the typical Vancouver salary. And why would they purchase it? The neighborhood isn't comparable to other, less expensive areas in the city, and it's 40 blocks from downtown.
Like everything we see in reality, anything going crazily high (like the 2001 internet bubble, or the 2008 worldwide financial crisis...) must come back down. These condo may not crash back down to normal Vancouver price, I will not be surprised that these drop in value in future after the La La Land dreaming period. Let's allow the speculators/investors/top-1%-rich-guys to have some fun now... Look at the current high end $3M+ detached houses now, many have dropped 20+% since last year. The market is still cooling down... This is just my personal crazy guess
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