Downtown Update

[TheRitsman]

Originally Posted by hamilton23

Does anyone have any intel about Fish and Chip and Hamburger on King William?

Fish and Chip closed down months before Hamburger, but both "temporarily closed" under similar circumstances. Both apparently closed for renovations, but this was several months ago? I know the Ottawa St. Hamburger is still open, but I'm wondering if the rental rates on King William got too expensive? I don't and have never seen any work being done in either place.

I'm asking because I enjoyed both places and they both seemed very popular?

I was also told that Two Black Sheep would open on King William? I was told this a few days prior to Two Black sheeps closure on John.

I'm wondering if they would be taking over either of these spaces.

Hambrgr is expanding into the Fish and Chip place. I hear they are moving it somewhere else. I had heard from someone who worked with the Owners of Black Sheep that they are melding it with Rapcallion and reopening on or near KW

[hamilton23]

Originally Posted by TheRitsman

Hambrgr is expanding into the Fish and Chip place. I hear they are moving it somewhere else. I had heard from someone who worked with the Owners of Black Sheep that they are melding it with Rapcallion and reopening on or near KW

When did you last hear that info about Fish and Chip and Hamburger? I heard the same thing several months ago and there hasn't been any progress made in the old Fish and Chip or Hamburger locations. They're literally just sitting there vacant...

[drpgq]

I've seen people working within Hamburger within the past week, but I agree that the slow progress is puzzling. They were always busy. Then again who knows what permits were like with the city.

[movingtohamilton]

Originally Posted by hamilton23

Why doesn't everyone take a step back and realize that this is just a forum about development within Hamilton? This isn't a city council meeting, this isn't a board meeting for a multi-million dollar development within the city. This is a place where people can share news and their opinions on different developments within the city of Hamilton...

Fair point. But on more than one occasion you get pretty prickly when people disagree with you. Recently you also made a condescending comment about not wanting to educate people here:

" I will continue to share updates and answer questions, but I can't give out real estate development courses on a message board."

So take your own advice. Cool?

[hamilton23]

Originally Posted by movingtohamilton

Fair point. But on more than one occasion you get pretty prickly when people disagree with you. Recently you also made a condescending comment about not wanting to educate people here:

" I will continue to share updates and answer questions, but I can't give out real estate development courses on a message board."

So take your own advice. Cool?

Hey, you just made my point!

I wasn't targeting you or the other user in that message... You seem to be taking everything very personally. I was making a point about wanting to read actual opinions that aren't rooted in hate or coming from a volatile place. This board is a lot more productive when conversations stay on topic and if you disagree with someones opinion, you shouldn't lash out on the poster. It makes no sense whatsoever. If the poster is rude about something directed at you, I can understand taking exception with that. Otherwise, why not just respond with your counter argument in a manner that's not rude? Most people seem to be doing that just fine.

In the example you pointed out...I had posters writing that a project I work on is, "not happening" or "dead". Those are minor examples... I had to make my point by explaining why the said project hasn't been released yet and also had to explain the real estate market in some ways. What I wrote isn't condescending or rude in the slightest. I'm not on this board to teach real estate development or real estate market courses. Nothing wrong with what I said, it's the truth...

You made my point by responding to my post in a very negative manner, trying to get a reaction out of me in order to go back and forth... It's pointless. If you want to debate or fight with someone, join a debate club or a boxing gym. I'm here to talk development in Hamilton without getting into heated arguments with people. I'll be the first to admit that in the past, I had to defend myself against bullying or hate-filled rhetoric on these boards. A lot of that came against someone who was actually on police radar for actual, in-person actions (not message board actions) against colleagues of mine. In that case, I believe I was free to argue back. It was a serious circumstance and It goes beyond anything that happens on this board presently.

Please don't try to incite a reaction out of me. I'm here to contribute in a positive, nonabrasive and non-aggressive manner. Most posters do the same.

[hamilton23]

Originally Posted by drpgq

I've seen people working within Hamburger within the past week, but I agree that the slow progress is puzzling. They were always busy. Then again who knows what permits were like with the city.

Oh, there's been people in there lately? that's a good sign I guess... Well, Forge and Foster own Hamburger and Fish and Chip and perhaps even the buildings they're located in... Obviously, they've had a few bumps along the road as most of us are aware of, but I'll be happy if Hamburger reopens in that location. I would be surprised if this is a permit issue. If the plan is to combine the old Fish and Chip location with Hamburger, I can't see that renovation permit taking this long to get approved. It's possible it hasn't been submitted to the city yet. I know they're currently focusing on the Old Spectator building facade. It would surprise me if they took on both projects at once. It's been depressing seeing that little stretch on King William empty.

[movingtohamilton]

No incitement intended or actually there. No trying to get a reaction out of you. YMMV.

But in the interests of most everyone, whom I'm sure are tired of my back-and-forth, I'll tone it down.

[hamilton23]

Sounds good

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by hamilton23

Hey, you just made my point!

I wasn't targeting you or the other user in that message... You seem to be taking everything very personally. I was making a point about wanting to read actual opinions that aren't rooted in hate or coming from a volatile place. This board is a lot more productive when conversations stay on topic and if you disagree with someones opinion, you shouldn't lash out on the poster. It makes no sense whatsoever. If the poster is rude about something directed at you, I can understand taking exception with that. Otherwise, why not just respond with your counter argument in a manner that's not rude? Most people seem to be doing that just fine.

In the example you pointed out...I had posters writing that a project I work on is, "not happening" or "dead". Those are minor examples... I had to make my point by explaining why the said project hasn't been released yet and also had to explain the real estate market in some ways. What I wrote isn't condescending or rude in the slightest. I'm not on this board to teach real estate development or real estate market courses. Nothing wrong with what I said, it's the truth...

You made my point by responding to my post in a very negative manner, trying to get a reaction out of me in order to go back and forth... It's pointless. If you want to debate or fight with someone, join a debate club or a boxing gym. I'm here to talk development in Hamilton without getting into heated arguments with people. I'll be the first to admit that in the past, I had to defend myself against bullying or hate-filled rhetoric on these boards. A lot of that came against someone who was actually on police radar for actual, in-person actions (not message board actions) against colleagues of mine. In that case, I believe I was free to argue back. It was a serious circumstance and It goes beyond anything that happens on this board presently.

Please don't try to incite a reaction out of me. I'm here to contribute in a positive, nonabrasive and non-aggressive manner. Most posters do the same.

I would have to agree with this. Hamilton23 is just trying to help and provide his input and when people try to tear users down or attack them personally its counterproductive. We don't do it so all we ask is that it's not done to us.

But like was said me and hamilton23 don't want this to become a back and forth - just throwing my support for him out there

In any case it is good to see some passionate discussion on this topics at the very least

Originally Posted by hamilton23

When did you last hear that info about Fish and Chip and Hamburger? I heard the same thing several months ago and there hasn't been any progress made in the old Fish and Chip or Hamburger locations. They're literally just sitting there vacant...

I've found these areas generally have high turnover rates, but they are super popular when they do exist along king william.

[hamilton23]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

I would have to agree with this. Hamilton23 is just trying to help and provide his input and when people try to tear users down or attack them personally its counterproductive. We don't do it so all we ask is that it's not done to us.

But like was said me and hamilton23 don't want this to become a back and forth - just throwing my support for him out there

In any case it is good to see some passionate discussion on this topics at the very least



I've found these areas generally have high turnover rates, but they are super popular when they do exist along king william.

As some posters have noted, it seems that the owner is going to be using the old Fish and Chip location to renovate Hamburger. It makes sense since one of the drawbacks of Hamburger was how small and uncomfortable it was before.

I'm not sure I have a ton of faith in the owner, but hopefully, it will reopen.

[timach]

Originally Posted by hamilton23

As some posters have noted, it seems that the owner is going to be using the old Fish and Chip location to renovate Hamburger. It makes sense since one of the drawbacks of Hamburger was how small and uncomfortable it was before.

I'm not sure I have a ton of faith in the owner, but hopefully, it will reopen.

They did post on instagram saying they were going to be taking over both spaces. And I think you have to believe them since they are really popular. Ottawa St is always busy and they have their St. Kitts location so it's not like they're not popular

[matt602]

I can confirm that their St. Catharines location has been packed every day since opening a year ago. I'm sure it's just some kind of bureaucratic red tape or something.

[hamilton23]

Originally Posted by timach

They did post on instagram saying they were going to be taking over both spaces. And I think you have to believe them since they are really popular. Ottawa St is always busy and they have their St. Kitts location so it's not like they're not popular

No denying their popularity and as I previously mentioned, I'm a fan of both places. As someone in the "know", I don't have a ton of faith in F&F. Their buildings on John and Main stayed in oblivion until only a few months ago, the roof on that building was wide open for several years lol. I also see how the Old Spec building has been treated over the last several years... They're finally doing some work on both buildings mentioned, but I still have my reservations about them. Regardless, I'm a proponent for development and business in general, in Downtown Hamilton. I would love to see both places re-open better than ever.

[hamilton23]

Originally Posted by matt602

I can confirm that their St. Catharines location has been packed every day since opening a year ago. I'm sure it's just some kind of bureaucratic red tape or something.

Their location on King William was always jammed, up until they closed for renovations. I hope the renovations help by adding more space for more patrons. I do like Hamburger and I look forward to them re-opening their doors on King William.

[Chronamut]

https://globalnews.ca/news/5122416/hamilton-catharine-street-north-new-development/

Former toxic hot spot in Hamilton on track to welcome new 5-storey development

A once-infamous downtown Hamilton property is about to get a new lease on life.

The city’s planning committee has approved plans for a five-storey building, including a medical clinic and 45 housing units, on Catharine Street North near Barton Street.

The site at 245 Catharine St. N. was seized by the city for back taxes in 2013 after years of neglect and property standards violations, including the storage of barrels of toxic rainwater. It was later sold by the city in a tax sale.

Ward 2 Coun. Jason Farr says the transformation will be a “Cinderella story” and is the result of a “tremendous amount of investment, passion and effort.”

Tuesday morning’s unanimous approval by the planning committee still requires ratification from Hamilton city council when it meets next Wednesday.

A decision on a second downtown development proposal for a 13-storey, 110-unit building on MacNab Street North near the West Harbour GO Station has been delayed for 30 days.

During that time, Farr will be trying to address neighbourhood concerns about the building’s height and density as well as what critics say is a lack of parking.

Farr has told the planning committee that he believes there’s a willingness to compromise on both sides.

[realcity]

shouldn't parking be a concern for the residents. Why do the NIMBYs give a shit about parking?

[TheRitsman]

Originally Posted by realcity

shouldn't parking be a concern for the residents. Why do the NIMBYs give a shit about parking?

In my comments to the city, I essentially said parking is the responsibility of the builder, or street parking is the concern of the city. The city should not be responsible for on-site parking, and the developer should not be responsible for the use of on-street parking.

The city seems to think the opposite.

[atnor]

Originally Posted by TheRitsman

In my comments to the city, I essentially said parking is the responsibility of the builder, or street parking is the concern of the city. The city should not be responsible for on-site parking, and the developer should not be responsible for the use of on-street parking.

The city seems to think the opposite.

The City’s concern is parking spillover onto neighbouring streets so they obviously have a stake in how much onsite parking is provided.

[TheRitsman]

Originally Posted by atnor

The City’s concern is parking spillover onto neighbouring streets so they obviously have a stake in how much onsite parking is provided.

Exactly. The city should ban parking on streets except for buildings built prior to now. Every other city in North America has no problem enforcing downtown parking rules. Nobody buys a condo downtown Toronto or Burlington or Oakville without a parking spot and goes "I'll just park on the street"

[Innsertnamehere]

Lots of people do in toronto, don’t kid yourself. In the immediate downtown there isn’t permit parking available but outside of it, on street parking is very common. It’s actually way cheaper than owning an underground spot, if slightly less convenient.