Great Canadian Skyline Thread II

[905er]

can we get back to Canadian skylines and stop posting Dubai pics here. There are other threads for that. If we want to see Dubai pics we can all go there instead. thank you so much

[isaidso]

+1

[Monolith]

Nov 2018

Harbour Air Seaplanes Vancouver Extended Panorama by Busologist, on Flickr


Harbour Air Seaplanes Vancouver Extended Panorama by Busologist, on Flickr

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Nite

So this looks like Mississauga?


http://emergenturbanism.com/2008/10/22/the-challenge-of-dense-sprawl/

http://dreamjourney.ae/old-dubai-city-tour/

https://www.timeoutdubai.com/aroundtown/features/55150-essential-old-dubai

http://www.abudhabi2.com/naif-road-closed-july-2017/

This is the older part of Dubai and I doubt anywhere in Canada has this much urbanity

The large towers you’re talking about are no where near Deira.

The only part of modern Dubai that has built supertalls and mantained some
semblance of urbanity has been Jumeriah Beach, but even that’s generous.

Deira succeeds because its avoided the mess that’s engulfed the rest of Dubai. It boggles my mind how you can defend Dubai modern city building and then trot out Deira in its defence.

[Nite]

Originally Posted by theman23

The large towers you’re talking about are no where near Deira.

The only part of modern Dubai that has built supertalls and mantained some
semblance of urbanity has been Jumeriah Beach, but even that’s generous.

Deira succeeds because its avoided the mess that’s engulfed the rest of Dubai. It boggles my mind how you can defend Dubai modern city building and then trot out Deira in its defence.

I was replying to someone who said Dubai is just a dense Mississuagua, when in fact it's more than that and has very urban areas that are unmatched in Canada.
I am also defending the amazing towers that Dubai has built in the last 2 decade.
I am fighting on two fronts

[softee]

Originally Posted by Nite

In Toronto, we don't even get height, Just endless short (below 200m) green-blue boxes. Dubai gets tall, colour variety, buildings of all shapes and interesting night lighting and it has a bigger historical district.

According to the database, there are currently 11 towers over 200 metres (one of those is over 300 metres) under construction or in site prep, and two more (one of which is 299 metres) are currently in the demolition phase and will begin site prep soon. There are an additional 22 towers over 200 metres proposed (3 of which are over 300 metres by roof height and 2 more over 300 metres with a spire).

That's 35 new 200+ metre towers. So I don't what you're going on about saying we don't even get height in Toronto?

[GeneralLea]

I took this a few days ago, from the west end of the M City site, which has three cranes (right side) for the first two towers. On the left you can see the growing Parkside Village projects;
A Changing Skyline by Draulerin Photographics, on Flickr

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by softee

That's 35 new 200+ metre towers. So I don't what you're going on about saying we don't even get height in Toronto?

I suppose he's just impatient for the 300-700m buildings going up elsewhere. Hopefully we'll at least get some 450m+ downtown in the next 20 years. Trouble is, most of the major intersections might have 150-300m buildings on them by the time we get around to taller.

[Nite]

Originally Posted by isaidso

I suppose he's just impatient for the 300-700m buildings going up elsewhere. Hopefully we'll at least get some 450m+ downtown in the next 20 years. Trouble is, most of the major intersections might have 150-300m buildings on them by the time we get around to taller.

The city will never allow something that big to be built. because there will be some park or a church that will get shadows in March.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by Nite

The city will never allow something that big to be built. because there will be some park or a church that will get shadows in March.

It's not the city that's holding anyone back from building that high. Few of the supertall proposals have been downsized due to city planning feedback vs their financial bottom line. In reality, buildings of that height are rarely economically viable and are usually only built for one of three reasons:


1. Vanity - such as the occasional corporate HQ showpiece, or otherwise civic-minded vanity projects (eg. Burj Khalifa or CN Tower).

2. Luxury - super high-cost, low-unit supertall residential towers where height is used as a selling feature. Eg. Manhattan's super-skinny Billionaire's Row towers.

3. Extreme land scarcity - eg. Hong Kong, where land values are so high that the complex engineering required for 400m+ towers actually makes sense financially.


I can't see any local companies willing or needed to take that kind of risk anytime in the near future. And as much as we love seeing the drama of supertall towers, I should hope that economic conditions here don't evolve to point of extreme unaffordability & inequality such as to make either of the latter two viable. Developing good urban design & planning policy is far more important than pursuing height for heights sake.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Nite

The city will never allow something that big to be built. because there will be some park or a church that will get shadows in March.

I'll add that 'never' is a very long time and if there's one constant in the world it's change. The city's culture is continually changing as will its comfort level with density.

[suburbanite]

It's laughable that people still think it's a culture issue that prevents super tall construction in Toronto.

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[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by isaidso

I suppose he's just impatient for the 300-700m buildings going up elsewhere. Hopefully we'll at least get some 450m+ downtown in the next 20 years. Trouble is, most of the major intersections might have 150-300m buildings on them by the time we get around to taller.

Lol last thing Toronto needs are 450 metre residential towers or 150 to 300 metre towers on each corner. The city is already unaffordable . We have square kilometres of parking lots with infrastructural capacity and amenities to spare. Let's develop those instead of raising my taxes every year even more to build Mega City One downtown.

Going up everywhere is a delusion. They are largely concentrated in socialist countries, dictatorships and kingdoms. IIRC, New York is the only democractic city with multiple 400 metre plus towers being built. The towers in New York are among the very few with urban form

[Chadillaccc]

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[kel]

Great pictures of Calgary. Always look forward to your posts.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by suburbanite

It's laughable that people still think it's a culture issue that prevents super tall construction in Toronto.

I haven't noticed anyone say that. What has been said is that the culture of this city has a certain comfort level with height and it will change over time. It's changed significantly in the 18 years that I've lived here and will continue to change. What's laughable is that some people assume a society's comfort level with density never changes. It's actually an impossibility. The only constant in life is that there will be change.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by whippersnapper

lol last thing Toronto needs are 450 metre residential towers or 150 to 300 metre towers on each corner.

Says the mudslinger who ridiculed the assertion (and many others) that Yonge would fill in with towers from the CBD to Yorkville. Of course you'd never admit to any of it. You're the classic personality type that's incapable of envisioning anything different than what's right in front of them. I stopped reading your posts many years ago but made an exception for your first sentence as you just don't get the message:


For the 20th time: take a hike troll.

[Wpg_Guy]

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[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Says the mudslinger who ridiculed the assertion (and many others) that Yonge would fill in with towers from the CBD to Yorkville. Of course you'd never admit to any of it. You're the classic personality type that's incapable of envisioning anything different than what's right in front of them. I stopped reading your posts many years ago but made an exception for your first sentence as you just don't get the message:


For the 20th time: take a hike troll.

I'm not going to admit error to your poor recollection. I stated I prefer Yonge to maintain its commercial heritage through mid rises and the occasional spire than to be transformed into wall to wall condos on soulless podiums found everywhere. Your revelation that Yonge will cave to condo development isn't insightful either. Bay was mostly build out. Where else would develop go? Your assertion hinged on 400 metre towers up and down Yonge (since Aura, etc. were already in planning) which is beyond reason or now good for our current market climate.

You disparage everyone on this site and off the site in their respective fields as short sight and provincial for not accepting your desires for the grandiose through, for example, the ever increasing extreme heights without reference to planning and development or, the block busting to build a large downtown park equivalent to Central Park, etc. without any thought towards the displacement of an entire community. You have the gull to demand people to not reply to your opinions on an open forum. You are the most conceited poster and the irony you spew is entertaining beyond believe.

For the 20th time, I don't care whether you read my replies to your posts or not. Your input is irrelevant to my replies. You mostly attack instead of offering counter opinions. What does anything in your reply have to do with 400 metre towers and 150 metre to 300 metre towers on every corner being a good thing for Torontonians already priced out of the market?