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Old Posted Apr 10, 2019, 12:19 PM
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I never thought I would see so much defense of the ugly, dated Church Office Building.

Personally I think the mid-century, International-style era was a cold, dark history in skyscraper architecture. It's alright on a smaller scale, or if surrounded by taller, better-looking buildings, but I cannot think of a single International-style skyscraper off the top of my head that I like on its own outside of the OGs (PSFS Building in Philadelphia and the Seagram Building in New York), and the Sears Tower. They're mostly just bland, boring copycat boxes that infested skylines all over the world.

The post-modernism era of the late 1970s-early 1990s wasn't significantly better either, but at least those skyscrapers had shape.

Re-cladding of the COB would be a benefit to the city. It wouldn't have to be shiny, modern blue glass, but just adding a little bit of variation would do wonders.
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I'm not sure why you guys want a reclad of the COB. It's a nicely designed mid 20th century modern office tower with decent durable materials (stone? or granite?). I know it's a little austere, but not worth the cost of a reclad.
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I don't really mind the COB other than the north facade. Base is pretty ugly in areas as well.
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I don't know why you would want to reclad the COB. Sure it is not the most beautiful building, but it is a prime example of international style architecture and it should be preserved. Our skyline needs diversity in it's buildings. Not a bunch of cold glass boxes.
In the almost thirteen years since I joined this forum the reclad of the COB has been one of the most popularly revisited topics on this thread. I had to post all four of the above quotes because they represent my full opinion from past to present on the building perfectly. Starting with Bob, this is exactly how I felt in the beginning. Don't rule this out Bob, but the COB might grow on you with time.

After I had settled into Los Angeles this last go around, I couldn't help but notice that there were a lot of this particular design spread out through Downtown and the Wilshire Corridor. Also, major cities like San Francisco that experienced a large tower boom during that era have a boat load of these type towers. If it's any consolation, the COB is probably by far the more attractive of any of this type tower between L.A. and Chicago. I know that era didn't produce a style that has proven timeless, but it is unique for Salt Lake City. If there were dozens of them in Salt Lake of varying heights like you find in L.A. or San Fran I would have a differing opinion, but I think it's important to keep that particular style, since there are so few to almost none in Salt Lake. My only qualm would be upgrading that north facade center where you see the oddly out of place stairwell windows. Like Airhero suggested, it's ugly. Probably a little something could be done with the street level to update it without detracting from the original style. Also, in the past the forum had generally come to the conclusion that eventually the COB won't stick out so much as the tallest, as many other towers will be added to the skyline, some appearing taller. I think it pretty much a given that the COB2 will be just north of the current COB. Even if COB2 is not quite as tall as the COB, it will go a very long way in smoothing out and balancing the appearance of that north skyline view from the east or west. In fact, from the iconic view of the Northwest, I think placing a shorter tower to the north of the COB, and a few eventual towers around 2nd, 3rd and 4th South that appear taller than the COB, would make for one of the more beautiful skylines in the country, this is of course especially with the addition of the Wasatch as its backdrop.

Even over the next couple of years as the new skeletons go up on the current towers beginning their countdowns, the skyline is going to change a lot. Tower 8 and the CCH will have a dramatic impact from different angles.


https://epiconeadventures.com/wp-con...t-option-1.jpg

We'll still need some more ump from this angle, but the CCH on the right, and Tower 8 on the left will be a definite improvement.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/270/3...cc50ecc6_b.jpg


It's hard to find decent updated views from the west. This one doesn't even include 111, but we get the idea how Tower 8, the CCH and Liberty Sky will add to this view. Anyone long time members save that incredible stylized shot looking west view of the skyline in the background and TRAX in the foreground, as it rounded the bend at the top of the hill toward the U of U.? Remember? Comrade, Anyone?

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...g?format=1500w

I know this has been mentioned in the past, but given the lower elevation of southward plots, how tall would future towers have to be say at 4th south, in order for them to appear a little taller than the COB?

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I heard about the possible reclad of the COB originally in 2006. At that point, the reclad would only happen after the COB2 was complete.

The issue with the facade is that it is primarily made of preformed concrete that doesn't age well, especially when it is under somewhat frequent freeze and thaw cycles.

While the person I did talk to has retired, he said the idea was to use stone to replace the concrete. This means that the basic look of the building would stay the same but just the material would change.

So far there have been a few small patches as well as sealing a few cracks but they have all been minor. For now it seems that it is cheaper to patch and seal. I would expect that to stay the same for probably another 20+ years unless it gets worse.
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I know this has been mentioned in the past, but given the lower elevation of southward plots, how tall would future towers have to be say at 4th south, in order for them to appear a little taller than the COB?
The COB is at about 4350 feet elevation. The 400 S Main parking block varies between about 4245 and 4260 so about 100 feet of difference in elevation.
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We don’t need to preserve buildings that are “prime examples” of ugly ass architecture. We have plenty of pictures for when we want to be reminded and/or have a good laugh.
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We don’t need to preserve buildings that are “prime examples” of ugly ass architecture. We have plenty of pictures for when we want to be reminded and/or have a good laugh.
I think ugly is a subject term, but I get your point. I would like it to stay, but I am happy if the cladding became stone. I also from a natural lighting perspective it must not get much and an increase in glass would help.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2019, 6:17 PM
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It wouldn't be an issue if the building didn't dominate Salt Lake's skyline. But since the city has an aversion to building anything over 400 feet tall, it will be a fixture in the skyline for many decades to come and for that reason, I'm okay doing something with it.

There's nothing remarkable about the tower. I mean, the old Key Bank Building was more aesthetically appealing than the COB. I'd rather have that back in the skyline.
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Big deal. One of three in the west. No word on specific location but more deep tech backbone. Seoul and SLC just announced. This is a very big deal.

https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/infrastructure/google-cloud-announces-new-regions-in-seoul-and-salt-lake-city
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Big deal. One of three in the west. No word on specific location but more deep tech backbone. Seoul and SLC just announced. This is a very big deal.

https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/infrastructure/google-cloud-announces-new-regions-in-seoul-and-salt-lake-city
I hope they actually mean Salt Lake City and not just the area around SLC.
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I heard about the possible reclad of the COB originally in 2006. At that point, the reclad would only happen after the COB2 was complete.

The issue with the facade is that it is primarily made of preformed concrete that doesn't age well, especially when it is under somewhat frequent freeze and thaw cycles.
By reclad, I was mainly thinking of it being clad in natural stone, not becoming all glass. I wouldn't mind if they widened some of the windows. It is depressing inside with little natural light.
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I hope they actually mean Salt Lake City and not just the area around SLC.
Where do most of Utah's data centers get clustered? That's where this Google Data center will likely end up going.

Question from an outsider on Utah's attractiveness as a data center hub. What's driving it? I know that Utah has relatively cheap electrical rates (driven by a metric ass-ton of coal-fired generation), but is it also due to Utah's closeness to California whilst not being a blazing hellhole like Nevada or Arizona?
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Where do most of Utah's data centers get clustered? That's where this Google Data center will likely end up going.

Question from an outsider on Utah's attractiveness as a data center hub. What's driving it? I know that Utah has relatively cheap electrical rates (driven by a metric ass-ton of coal-fired generation), but is it also due to Utah's closeness to California whilst not being a blazing hellhole like Nevada or Arizona?
There are a few data centers in SLC itself. The rest are scattered in Southern SL County and Northern Utah County.

I think that this center will end up in SLC in the Inland Port area. That way the State can further justify the port creation.

The area has been attracting data centers due to the cheap land and the growing number of tech companies. As the tech companies grow, they drive demand for more data centers.
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Where do most of Utah's data centers get clustered? That's where this Google Data center will likely end up going.

Question from an outsider on Utah's attractiveness as a data center hub. What's driving it? I know that Utah has relatively cheap electrical rates (driven by a metric ass-ton of coal-fired generation), but is it also due to Utah's closeness to California whilst not being a blazing hellhole like Nevada or Arizona?
Utah has always had a big hand in information tech and. Its a critical junction. U of U was part of the original ARPANET. 4th node I think. We have a huge data backbone and good central location to the coast. NSA, Facebook, Amazon, etc al. If you are in data based tech, you have to have a presence in Utah. You're right, it doesn't hurt that we have cheap land electric and power.
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Big deal. One of three in the west. No word on specific location but more deep tech backbone. Seoul and SLC just announced. This is a very big deal.

https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/infrastructure/google-cloud-announces-new-regions-in-seoul-and-salt-lake-city
No physical data center, just region availability, at least according to CNET:

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Where do most of Utah's data centers get clustered? That's where this Google Data center will likely end up going.

Question from an outsider on Utah's attractiveness as a data center hub. What's driving it? I know that Utah has relatively cheap electrical rates (driven by a metric ass-ton of coal-fired generation), but is it also due to Utah's closeness to California whilst not being a blazing hellhole like Nevada or Arizona?
It probably has something to do with this:

MAP of Fiber Optic Lines in USA:


This is, of course, just a connectivity map. The actual routes these fiber optic lines follow generally follow established corridors like utilities, highways, and especially Railroads, of which Utah and Salt Lake City has more than its fair share.
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No physical data center, just region availability, at least according to CNET:
“At Google Cloud Next today, the company announced it is bringing two brand new data centers online in the 2020 time frame, with one in Seoul, South Korea and one in Salt Lake City, Utah.”

Source: techcrunch.com
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“At Google Cloud Next today, the company announced it is bringing two brand new data centers online in the 2020 time frame, with one in Seoul, South Korea and one in Salt Lake City, Utah.”

Source: techcrunch.com
Yeah, there was a lot of mistaken reporting initially.

"Google Cloud, the cloud services division of search giant Google, announced in a blog post that it's expanding its global cloud "infrastructure" to Salt Lake City, but the company confirmed to the Deseret News the move will not include construction of a new data center in the region."

Source: Deseret News
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We don’t need to preserve buildings that are “prime examples” of ugly ass architecture. We have plenty of pictures for when we want to be reminded and/or have a good laugh.
Not everyone has the trained eye of an architect, or engineer, for that matter, so I'm glad you are not on any sort of preservation committee. If you try telling that to architects and engineers they will tell you why your feelings are misguided. These modernist buildings are great feats of engineering and portray strong symbolic meanings in their design if you look beyond your embarrassing misconceptions about architectural principals.

I think most people who dislike the modernist style are afraid of what it represents. It monumentalizes the bureaucratic engine housed within its walls of elegant stark simplicity and utilitarian grandeur. Modernism and Brutalism for that matter, have always been strong symbols of institutional buildings. While I may not agree with what some of these buildings represent, I do think
they are strikingly honest. They don't rely on the traditions of the past to portray what they symbolize.
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Not everyone has the trained eye of an architect, or engineer, for that matter, so I'm glad you are not on any sort of preservation committee. If you try telling that to architects and engineers they will tell you why your feelings are misguided. These modernist buildings are great feats of engineering and portray strong symbolic meanings in their design if you look beyond your embarrassing misconceptions about architectural principals.

I think most people who dislike the modernist style are afraid of what it represents. It monumentalizes the bureaucratic engine housed within its walls of elegant stark simplicity and utilitarian grandeur. Modernism and Brutalism for that matter, have always been strong symbols of institutional buildings. While I may not agree with what some of these buildings represent, I do think
they are strikingly honest. They don't rely on the traditions of the past to portray what they symbolize.
lol...sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Salt Lake City (number three) and Fort Lauderdale (number six) jumped into the top ten for the first time in the study’s history, as investors look to replicate the success of Denver and Miami with their competitive living costs and high quality of life. Salt Lake City is the smallest market ever to make the top ten.

“Secondary markets have dominated population growth in last decade, with higher levels of in-migration than gateway cities,” commented panelist Mary Ludgin, managing director and head of global research at Heitman. “After the recession, people moved to gateway markets as a safe haven. But with the exception of New York City, gateway markets have not performed as well as expected during economic downturns.”
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They slipped to #13 in 2019.
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Yeah, there was a lot of mistaken reporting initially.

"Google Cloud, the cloud services division of search giant Google, announced in a blog post that it's expanding its global cloud "infrastructure" to Salt Lake City, but the company confirmed to the Deseret News the move will not include construction of a new data center in the region."

Source: Deseret News
If it doesn’t include construction of a new data center, then they must be repurposing another data center or leasing another company’s data center.
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