YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by libtard

International numbers don’t mean anything when SEA overall pax blow YVR out of the water.

That is true, but the US domestic market has a whole batch of destinations - with higher frequencies - than YVR.
And it's all relative, too. Take YYZ. Total pax numbers VERY close to SEA, but OVER half of that is transborder or overseas.
YYZ blows SEA out of the water in that instance. SEA is mostly domestic (and - get this - ) their busiest foreign destination is none other than YVR. Yes.
And YYZ is one of the most connected airports in the world, right up there with AMS, ORD, SIN ..... fifth in the world according to the article linked.
https://www.travelctm.com/resources/insights_blog/the-worlds-top-25-most-connected-airports-2/

[libtard]

An airport is an airport, a plane is a plane, people are people. Why all this emphasis on international traffic? YVR’s skewed numbers with low overall pax and high international make it look like some boutique airport

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by libtard

An airport is an airport, a plane is a plane, people are people. Why all this emphasis on international traffic? YVR’s skewed numbers with low overall pax and high international make it look like some boutique airport

We are all entitled to our opinions. Anything wrong with being a boutique airport?

I’d still prefer to be connected globally than have a direct flight available to say Moose Jaw, Brandon or Thunder Bay.

A country the size of Canada could never ever see a domestic market like any US airport.

TBH I could care less about SEA’s Numbers. Still one of my fave US cities.
Just some 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 from Montreal obsessed with belittling YVR’s stature.
Just sticking up for the little guy!

[twoNeurons]

I wonder if the upcoming SEA-SIN service on SQ, a star alliance carrier, will mean Aeroplan will reduce the MPM between YVR and SIN city pairs.

[twoNeurons]

Anyone know AC's plan for the 737MAX8?

I'm flyiing the YVR-YUL redeye route in July and wondering what plane I'll be flying on. It WAS slotted to be a 737Max8.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by libtard

An airport is an airport, a plane is a plane, people are people. Why all this emphasis on international traffic? YVR’s skewed numbers with low overall pax and high international make it look like some boutique airport

What do you mean by "boutique airport," please?

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by libtard

An airport is an airport, a plane is a plane, people are people. Why all this emphasis on international traffic? YVR’s skewed numbers with low overall pax and high international make it look like some boutique airport

International passengers can be a sign that money/assets/investments are coming IN to the country from other places.

For better or for worse, capitalism is kind of based on taking as money from other areas until a point at which those other areas look for ways to become more competitive... and are forced to become more efficient.

Look at the recent recycling debacle of China not taking our recycling any longer. We did it because it was more efficient to send it away than deal with it ourselves. China is at a point where they don't need to rely on said income and it was a public relations mess, so now industries will hopefully shift to add automation to recycling plants, looking for efficient ways to handle recycling locally... making it cheaper to handle it here than ship it away.

Anyhow, the more international traffic you have can be an indication that you have more money earned elsewhere but spent here. While that's somewhat true with domestic travel, in that case, the overall national picture doesn't usually change as dramatically.

A person from Toronto spending money in Vancouver is not spending $100 in Toronto... so roughly Canada NET 0. A person from Zurich spending $100 in Vancouver is not spending $100 in Switzerland... Canada NET $100, Earth NET 0.

There's obviously more to it than that... but from an economic perspective that's more or less it.

Additionally, the more international routes you have, the more exposure to the global community you have. An international startup company trying to break into in Canada located in Tel Aviv may consider a North American office in Vancouver if there are a few direct flights.

Since Vancouver, unlike Seattle, doesn't have much in the way of industry other than real estate and tourism, we more heavily depend on other international companies setting up offices here. Direct international flights open up Vancouver to opportunities.

[Black Box]

I do think international numbers mean something, Vancouver most definitely excels. That being said, in the long run, the gap will close, but Vancouver will most likely keep an edge. Canada’s only big West Coast city and a resort economy burn bright for the city. The Port of Seattle did it with cruise ships and they are determined to do it with the airport. We can all celebrate the success of what excites us most about our airports and economies.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

https://jetlines.ca/2019/04/jetlines-announces-anticipated-launch-timing/

Jetlines now expecting to launch 17 December

What a great strategy to launch days before the Xmas rush. What could possibly go wrong? (Flair ring any bells?)
Followed by traditionally one of the weakest domestic travel periods in the year.

Wow

I crunched the actual SEA intl numbers.. those flights are adding about 510,000 seats. Only 7.6 million to go to catch up to YVR!

[SpongeG]

Change is in the Air at YVR: April Construction Update
March 26, 2019 · The YVR Blog team
YVR Stories



There are several key projects currently taking place that will enhance the airport experience. This includes our biggest sustainability projects to date, new parking options, terminal expansions and much more.

Terminal

There will be various improvements to a section of Pier B, in the domestic terminal. As part of this work, there will be hoarding and phased closures of two passenger hold rooms. Work is anticipated to be complete by June 2019.
As part of the International Pier D expansion project, steel work continues. This will take place airside and may include noisy work. Given that there is 24-hour operations in this part of the terminal, we understand that this could potentially be disruptive for those with flights at nearby gates. If you are looking for somewhere quiet, you can find seating in the creek area, near the food court.
There may be intermittent noise at U.S. check-in, U.S. pre-board screening area as well as U.S. Customs during daytime hours. This work is being done to improve our processes for transfer passengers.
In and Around Sea Island

Various work is continuing in the old Value Lot (adjacent to the Parkade) for the construction of a new six-storey parking lot and Central Utilities Building. A new toll plaza is now open and is the first permanent structure of the new Parkade. Please follow all directional signage in the area. There are also a number of related projects near by the site including:

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http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2019/change-is...4gAZVK63ARwHPinlQzkbEHhdbo-TRqxJtneJDLdU

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Black Box

I do think international numbers mean something, Vancouver most definitely excels. That being said, in the long run, the gap will close, but Vancouver will most likely keep an edge. Canada’s only big West Coast city and a resort economy burn bright for the city. The Port of Seattle did it with cruise ships and they are determined to do it with the airport. We can all celebrate the success of what excites us most about our airports and economies.

Both airports will definitely continue to grow and likely grow faster than average, and I hope SEA is a major hub in the years to come, but I want SIN from you guys. Still bitter AF over here about that one.

[Black Box]

Seattle is well on its way to hub status, but I’m not sure how diverse the spokes will be. I’m sure Vancouver will get a Singapore flight soon enough. On another weird airport note, Seattle has the second largest parking garage in the world at Sea-Tac and many Seattleites left the region for spring break resulting in 13,000 vehicles taking each spot. Meaning, full. Eh gads, we love driving! Cheers y’all!

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Both airports will definitely continue to grow and likely grow faster than average, and I hope SEA is a major hub in the years to come, but I want SIN from you guys. Still bitter AF over here about that one.

[stiffdeadman]

Originally Posted by Black Box

Seattle is well on its way to hub status, but I’m not sure how diverse the spokes will be. I’m sure Vancouver will get a Singapore flight soon enough. On another weird airport note, Seattle has the second largest parking garage in the world at Sea-Tac and many Seattleites left the region for spring break resulting in 13,000 vehicles taking each spot. Meaning, full. Eh gads, we love driving! Cheers y’all!

i love their parking garage. drive right in, zip upto level 8, park near one of the doors and your in the terminal in only a few minutes.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Black Box

I do think international numbers mean something, Vancouver most definitely excels. That being said, in the long run, the gap will close, but Vancouver will most likely keep an edge. Canada’s only big West Coast city and a resort economy burn bright for the city. The Port of Seattle did it with cruise ships and they are determined to do it with the airport. We can all celebrate the success of what excites us most about our airports and economies.

I agree the gap will shrink but to put the numbers into perspective 7.6 million passengers would require 37 daily flights on aircraft of 280 seats. That’s also 1.6 million more than the entire annual international pax count of Brisbane... a major Australian port of entry.
Not trying to beat this to death but was only highlighting the numbers because some loser said Seattle Intl numbers would overtake YVR’s “soon.”
Clearly that’s not going to happen. Even if 25 daily flights were added in the next 5 years would still fall short. This would be on top of the new CX, JL, SQ and DL flights. And of course that's assuming YVR never adds another international flight.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Not trying to beat this to death but was only highlighting the numbers because some loser said Seattle Intl numbers would overtake YVR’s “soon.”

You kind of are. No one besides you is calculating SEA monthly stats and going through airline seat maps just to prove a point no one was making. #insane.

And for the second time (in case it wasn't clear the first time), no one said that SEA will overtake YVR soon, you 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. Why dont you scroll back and read what it is I "actually" said, before accusing me of non sense.

And Brisbane, really? More useless comparisons. I think the sun down under is getting to your head.

Originally Posted by Black Box

Seattle is well on its way to hub status, but I’m not sure how diverse the spokes will be.

well on it's way? DL carried 11 million passengers at SEA in 2018, flies to 59 destinations on 280 flights a day. That's the definition of a hub.

https://news.delta.com/corporate-stats-and-facts

https://news.delta.com/seattle-fact-sheet

[SFUVancouver]

The penny just dropped for me how large is the investment in YVR upgrades: $7B! That's basically the full Broadway Subway to UBC.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

The penny just dropped for me how large is the investment in YVR upgrades: $7B! That's basically the full Broadway Subway to UBC.

Much needed investment. YVR is being proactive in staying ahead of the curve. Building for the future before capacity restricts free movement.

We need some of that in MEL.... at the breaking point before even the slightest attempt at expansion occurs. Then of course years away until anything is built.

The stench in this thread sometimes...

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Much needed investment. YVR is being proactive in staying ahead of the curve. Building for the future before capacity restricts free movement.

We need some of that in MEL.... at the breaking point before even the slightest attempt at expansion occurs. Then of course years away until anything is built.

The stench in this thread sometimes...

Yes, my last flight from MEL-HKG on CX, the holding area was so crowded that it was difficult to move. Not a pleasant experience at all.

YVR is doing a good job planning ahead. Maybe not the long-term planning horizon of SIN, but still impressive.

[casper]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

The penny just dropped for me how large is the investment in YVR upgrades: $7B! That's basically the full Broadway Subway to UBC.

Even more impressive when you consider YVR has been quite reserved and conservative when it comes to capital expansion.

[Black Box]

I think we both are in agreement, Vancouver will have the edge, Seattle will close some gaps.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I agree the gap will shrink but to put the numbers into perspective 7.6 million passengers would require 37 daily flights on aircraft of 280 seats. That’s also 1.6 million more than the entire annual international pax count of Brisbane... a major Australian port of entry.
Not trying to beat this to death but was only highlighting the numbers because some loser said Seattle Intl numbers would overtake YVR’s “soon.”
Clearly that’s not going to happen. Even if 25 daily flights were added in the next 5 years would still fall short. This would be on top of the new CX, JL, SQ and DL flights. And of course that's assuming YVR never adds another international flight.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Both airports will definitely continue to grow and likely grow faster than average, and I hope SEA is a major hub in the years to come, but I want SIN from you guys. Still bitter AF over here about that one.

If we had SIN on SQ, then yes.