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Old Posted Apr 2, 2019, 11:32 AM
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Waterproofing 'non-conformance' flagged during inspections of LRT tunnel in 2018

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: April 2, 2019


Taxpayers might have to live with a leaky LRT tunnel, along with the threat of water accumulating in stations and damaging infrastructure, and there’s not much the City of Ottawa can do about it.

An inspection report filed last year suggests there are areas of the Confederation Line tunnel where the “waterstop” material wasn’t installed properly.

“Varieties of issues were identified with waterstop installation that may compromise their effectiveness,” a Rideau Transit Group (RTG) inspector wrote in a report that was started on April 18, 2018. “These issues range from discontinuities to premature saturation of the hydrophilic materials.”

Those waterproofing deficiencies, the report says, weren’t fixed before the concrete was poured. The location is listed in the report as “stations and tunnel.”

The report is included in a new release of “non-conformance” records from 2018 on the $2.1-billion Stage 1 LRT project.

City council’s finance and economic development committee is scheduled to receive an update on the construction of Stage 1 LRT on Tuesday.

RTG, the builder of the 12.5-kilometre rail line, has missed three handover deadlines. The latest one was Sunday and the previous ones were May 24, 2018 and Nov. 2, 2018. RTG now believes it can deliver LRT by the end of June.

There are hundreds of non-conformance reports on file at the city related to the Stage 1 LRT project.

The Ontario Information and Privacy Commissioner last year ruled there’s a public interest in lifting the secrecy surrounding the reports, responding to a freedom-of-information appeal by researcher Ken Rubin, who was initially denied access to the records.

Non-conformance reports document deficiencies and are a regular part of tracking construction quality.

RTG and the city both have their own quality-assurance inspectors who regularly check the LRT project.

The reports reveal the quality of construction on the city’s largest infrastructure project, and although there hasn’t been a line drawn directly between the various non-conformance incidents and the delay of LRT, the documents spell out the construction blunders that need to be fixed before the transit system can be turned over to the city.

In many cases, there are no fixes, like in the case of the shabby waterproofing in the tunnel.

The engineer tasked with reviewing report on the waterstop installation wrote that there was nothing that the builder, an RTG sub-company called Ottawa Light Rail Transit Constructors (OLRTC), could do but live with the deficiency.

“Waterstops are an important factor in preventing water ingress into the station and OLRTC should be prepared to fix leaks as a result of deficiently installed waterstops should any occur,” the engineer wrote in May 2018, telling the builder to pay particular attention to where architectural finishes will be applied, since they might need to be taken down to fix leaks in the future.

So why did the lapse happen in the first place?

The report offers a couple of suggestions, including “insufficient training due to personnel turnover.”

RTG wasn’t too worried about it, calling it an “acceptable” risk in the report since there are prevention measures for groundwater infiltration and waterproofing around the tunnel between stations. There was no water leaking through in the areas where the waterproofing wasn’t installed properly, RTG observed at the time.

A separate June 2018 report filed by an RTG inspector found water infiltration in various locations on the concrete final lining in the tunnel. RTG expected that physical or chemical barriers would need to be installed or injected to solve the infiltration problem.

During a finance and economic development committee meeting in February 2019, RTG chief executive Peter Lauch told councillors there’s no worry about water seeping into the tunnel in the future. The city’s transportation general manager, John Manconi, said “every tunnel has water in it” and there are collections systems for it.

Michael Morgan, the city’s director of rail construction, said on Monday that all major non-conformance reports will be resolved before the Stage 1 LRT project is substantially completed.

Morgan said that if any construction quality issues arise, RTG will be responsible for repairs during the 30-year maintenance contract.

“It is this aspect of the city’s P3 (public-private partnership) agreement with RTG that provides the confidence that there should not be any long-term impacts resulting from these (non-conformance reports),” Morgan said in an email sent through the city’s communications department.

There were multiple reports in 2018 about damaged or failing snow-melt cables in outdoor stations.

There was a problem with the snow-melt infrastructure at Hurdman because of a “lack of due care and attention” during the installation of precast stairs, one report says. Other reports flagged damage to snow-melt cables at Blair and Cyrville stations.

Faulty snow-melt infrastructure is a good example of how the city would penalize RTG if the transit system isn’t maintained properly, Morgan said.

“If RTG does not maintain the platform heating cables in good working order and is not able to keep the platforms clear of snow through other means, then the city will be able to make deductions against their monthly payment,” Morgan said. “RTG is fully incentivized to ensure that all of the systems are working and that the Confederation Line works reliably for our customers.”

City inspectors in 2018 found deficiencies in retail spaces, including insufficient communication and power connections. One report says an inspector discovered that a power connection for the Hurdman Station retail space was installed eight metres above the area, “which is not reasonably accessible.”

Another report by city inspectors in July 2018 accuses RTG of not using the contracted amount of glass on elevators, which could make areas of the stations unsafe. According to the report, RTG’s own consultant in charge of crime prevention by environmental design remarked that using metal panels instead of glass in some areas reduced the “witness potential.” The report suggests RTG questioned the city’s calculation of how much of the elevator infrastructure was glass.

Some of the reports must drive RTG crazy since repairs were probably avoidable in the first place.

Take, for example, a report from June 2018 that documented a saw cut discovered in the top of a rail around Hurdman Station.

How did that happen?

“Workers used the rail to support material while cutting,” the report says.

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Old Posted Apr 2, 2019, 1:10 PM
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Where in the hell do these reporters get off with these sensationalized stories?? (BOLD is mine...)


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Waterproofing 'non-conformance' flagged during inspections of LRT tunnel in 2018

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: April 2, 2019


"Taxpayers might have to live with a leaky LRT tunnel, along with the threat of water accumulating in stations and damaging infrastructure, and there’s not much the City of Ottawa can do about it."
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but then...
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"Morgan said that if any construction quality issues arise, RTG will be responsible for repairs during the 30-year maintenance contract."

“It is this aspect of the city’s P3 (public-private partnership) agreement with RTG that provides the confidence that there should not be any long-term impacts resulting from these (non-conformance reports),” Morgan said in an email sent through the city’s communications department.



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Old Posted Apr 2, 2019, 1:15 PM
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I mean, the building on the top left is just a big, unheated shed. Cheap to build and maintain. You could plunk one of those anywhere in line with the tracks.

The building to the lower right is the office and also the maintenance yard. These maintenance buildings are considerably more expensive. Do you need one for each shed on the line? or can you get by with just a 'train wash' station similar to the bus wash stations OC uses at their bus yards?

EDIT: Or do the trains get washed on the inside using crews who walk down the train, wherever it happens to be parked?

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I think that ship has sailed. The way the tracks curve in the yard, expansion would be difficult. Besides, as PHrenetic said, "facilities elsewhere on the RoW would eventually be necessary to avoid excessive deadheading," so more, smaller yards is better than fewer bigger ones.


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Old Posted Apr 2, 2019, 2:27 PM
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I don't see much wrong with the emboldened parts in that particular article. Living with defects sucks hard but is a major reality in construction.

"not much the City can do about it"

Let's say the resolution of those non-conformances would require the tunnel to be torn open in numerous areas, resulting in a closure of 6-12 more months while repairs are conducted and re-inspections are performed. Oh, and there's the risk that while the tunnel is torn up something else is screwed up by the crews, extending the closure further. Should the City try to enforce repairs or do its best to live with it (assuming it's generally safe) while taking some financial compensation instead?

It's sort of like when you buy a new house and you find the floor is squeaky due to improper sub-floor fastening or improper finished floor fastening. The house is finished now, and you may or may not be living in there already, do you force them to tear it up to fix it? What kind of disruption will that cause to your life? Where will you live in the meantime? What costs will you incur during this disruption?

Odds are instead you take a pile of money from the builder in compensation and pinch your nose and live with the noisy floor (again, assuming it's not a safety matter).

I realize water leaks are probably more serious than a squeaky floor, the conceptually the situation is no different. You weigh the cost/risk vs. benefit of making repairs and decide accordingly.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2019, 2:59 PM
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Fedco meeting. All good news. Since Thursday one more train has been certified so we're up to 29. Remaining five are completed with no problems anticipated. For stations its similar. 9 have final inspections completed and only minor work needed on remaining 4.

Testing going well including with 20 vehicle stress tests.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2019, 4:47 PM
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Here's a tweet from Joanne Chianello. Could be an end of June handover.

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We start with the LRT update. @OC_Transpo boss John Manconi says RTG has been making great progress and if it continues, the city should be able to receive the LRT by end of June. #ottnews
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2019, 5:16 PM
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All LRT trains built and in testing, but still no launch date

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: April 2, 2019


There still isn’t a handover date for the $2.1-billion Stage 1 LRT system, but the head of the city’s transportation department says he likes what he sees when it comes to train testing.

John Manconi told council’s finance and economic development on Tuesday that all 34 Alstom Citadis Spirit trains have been built and are going through final testing.

There was a successful “stress test” on March 14 involving 20 single trains operating at once. Now, the Rideau Transit Group will focus on testing double-trains configurations; the city needs 15 double trains running for peak-time service.

However, there’s still no word on when the average Ottawa transit customer will be riding the trains.

RTG has suggested it can deliver the LRT line in the second quarter of the year, which wraps up at the end of June, but the city hasn’t received an exact date. Contractually, RTG must deliver a new handover date by 60 days after the last scheduled handover date on March 31.

There have been three missed handover dates. The other two were on May 24, 2018 and Nov. 2, 2018.

Manconi addressed the Ottawa Citizen and Ottawa Sun story on Tuesday on deficient waterproofing in the tunnel, as documented in inspection reports. He reminded councillors that the city is building a tunnel under a waterway (the Rideau Canal) and said there are sump pumps to remove water. Plus, “all tunnels leak,” Manconi said, also claiming the best grouting in the world is being used on the tunnel to remediate leaks.

Council approved the Stage 1 LRT project in December 2012 and RTG broke ground in 2013.

The Confederation Line will have 13 stops between Tunney’s Pasture and Blair stations. Three stations are underground in the 2.5-kilometre downtown tunnel.

All three levels of government contributed to the cost of Stage 1.

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Here's a tweet from Joanne Chianello. Could be an end of June handover.
"We are making great progress and if it continues we'll miss another handover date by several months yay!"
     
     
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When you say that the City will have to 'live with it' surely you mean that the City will sit back and watch as RTG monitors, maintains, cleans, drains, and otherwise operates the tunnels and stations for the next 30 years, right? So what is left for the City to 'live with'. I don't see why this is even an issue that we're talking about.

I don't understand why, if RTG has fouled waterproofing, that it's anything to do with the City, or any problem of ours.

Agreed, that perhaps sometime in the very very distant future, a more lengthy shutdown of the line for repairs will be required, but that's SO far distant that who cares?

Subway tunnels around the world leak all the time, you just catch the water so it doesn't drip on people's heads and you move on.

On a separate note, I'm pretty sure the waterproofing is injectable from the interior of the tunnel, just so that future repairs are possible.

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I don't see much wrong with the emboldened parts in that particular article. Living with defects sucks hard but is a major reality in construction.

"not much the City can do about it"

Let's say the resolution of those non-conformances would require the tunnel to be torn open in numerous areas, resulting in a closure of 6-12 more months while repairs are conducted and re-inspections are performed. Oh, and there's the risk that while the tunnel is torn up something else is screwed up by the crews, extending the closure further. Should the City try to enforce repairs or do its best to live with it (assuming it's generally safe) while taking some financial compensation instead?

It's sort of like when you buy a new house and you find the floor is squeaky due to improper sub-floor fastening or improper finished floor fastening. The house is finished now, and you may or may not be living in there already, do you force them to tear it up to fix it? What kind of disruption will that cause to your life? Where will you live in the meantime? What costs will you incur during this disruption?

Odds are instead you take a pile of money from the builder in compensation and pinch your nose and live with the noisy floor (again, assuming it's not a safety matter).

I realize water leaks are probably more serious than a squeaky floor, the conceptually the situation is no different. You weigh the cost/risk vs. benefit of making repairs and decide accordingly.
     
     
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Dallas is opening a new electric rail line on April 26th. Expected ridership is 9,000 per day. While Ottawa is at one extreme, Dallas is at the other extreme.
     
     
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At this point, I'm pretty sure RTG will only give the handover date after they are sure they are actually done, i.e. towards the end of the 12 day service test. This isn't such a bad thing, it would be nice to have certainty. I think they know they'll be done done before the 60 period is up. Let's say they actually finish April 20th. They'll announce the handover 30 days later towards end of May, even though they'll have a finished system sitting there doing nothing. It would cost them less then taking another 1 million hit at this point but promising something right like May 1st and missing it by a week.
     
     
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When you say that the City will have to 'live with it' surely you mean that the City will sit back and watch as RTG monitors, maintains, cleans, drains, and otherwise operates the tunnels and stations for the next 30 years, right? So what is left for the City to 'live with'. I don't see why this is even an issue that we're talking about.
The City lives with the defect in construction. RTG is responsible for maintenance of that defect but it remains to be seen if the defect or those maintenance measures have any functional consequence to the system and/or nuisance to the users.
     
     
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I have shared the portion of the accompanying news release pertaining to the Confederation Line update from today's FEDCO meeting (very short line about the Confederation Line), as well as the audio recording of the meeting (includes Q&A after the update).

The presentation will be posted soon, still waiting to receive it. The audio of the meeting is available now however.

https://www.otrainfans.ca/blogs/confederation-line-update-fedco-april-2-2019

I’ll post a follow up once I do get the presentation

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Sorry if this was posted in another thread or earlier, but here is a video of OC Transpo testing their bus operations at Tunney's Pasture


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Sorry if this was posted in another thread or earlier, but here is a video of OC Transpo testing their bus operations at Tunney's Pasture


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That was oddly satisfying to watch.
     
     
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Are we going to have icicles forming from the ceiling of our underground stations like this article about a NYC's newest subway station that's leaking water. I really hope we don't have puddles of water here and there when it rains heavy outside.

https://www.wnyc.org/story/mta-says-subcontractor-must-pay-leak-fixes-hudson-yards/
     
     
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Meanwhile in Montreal metro's Beaudry station:
Renovations have begun at Beaudry metro, and when some panelling was removed stalactites were observed on the ceiling.
https://mtlcityweblog.com/2018/09/10/stalactites-seen-at-beaudry-metro/
https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2018/09/10/des-stalactites-dans-le-metro-de-montreal
     
     
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I find it hilarious but sad at the same time, how a continuous stream of sensationalist mainstream media articles manage to brainwash the general public so easily as is evidenced in the comments to the following CBC article:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/no-firm-date-lrt-today-1.5080971

You would think with the amount of information available online, people would be smarter and more informed than simply believing and interpreting everything from one source as doom and gloom, but sadly this is just not the case. That and then they just get each other excited like a big circle jerk. Its amusing to read, but just so sad at the same time.

I just can't wait for the C-Line to open in May/June so that these people get a big reality check.
     
     
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I have shared the portion of the accompanying news release pertaining to the Confederation Line update from today's FEDCO meeting (very short line about the Confederation Line), as well as the audio recording of the meeting (includes Q&A after the update).

The presentation will be posted soon, still waiting to receive it. The audio of the meeting is available now however.

https://www.otrainfans.ca/blogs/confederation-line-update-fedco-april-2-2019

I’ll post a follow up once I do get the presentation
The presentation has now been added to the site. Feel free to check it out!
     
     
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Sorry if this was posted in another thread or earlier, but here is a video of OC Transpo testing their bus operations at Tunney's Pasture


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From that, Tunney's station looks terribly congested. With only one main entrance and exit, it is worse than Hurdman Station was in the old days. I will be waiting for the videos when in live operation.
     
     
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