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Originally Posted by StNorberter
Most people that complain about the costs of unions, etc. Tend to have had absolutely no experience with unions and don't know anyone who is a union member.
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And most people who are pro-union would say that. Very ease "conversation over" fallacy.
Except I have negative experiences dealing with unions, and know several hard working people who felt restricted by their own union.
There is a reason that employers trend away from unions, and it's not due to evil alone.
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Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump
I'll use Hydro as an example, since I know a lot of people there.
If you're a professional there, you're making less than you would in the private sector except you have a DB pension and all of the other perks of working at a Crown.
If you're doing Joe or Jane Desktop work, with no real certification required (other than your uncle works there!), you are making WAAAY more than you would outside the union environment.
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Some of my friends at Hydro argue they're overpaid. Their contribution relative to what's expected at the private sector, combined with better benefits, pensions and everything in between, makes it very appealling to stay at hydro.
They all feel slightly bored and underutilized, but know that they're taking a dip in pay to go private. It may only be temporary, but does not come with the many security blankets Hydro provides.
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Originally Posted by StNorberter
What's the problem with them being unionized?
If a majority of employees in a workplace decide that they want to become unionized, why shouldn't they?
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What's the point of unionizing?
Employers don't respond well to a show of force, because they have much more to lose than a job when the ship goes under. When Iran buys weapons, people notice...
Obviously there are reasonable examples for unionization but it's not what it used to be.