PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[jsbrook]

Originally Posted by City Wide

What does obsolete mean these days? Even a older building like Liberty Place was construction with a central core so the rest of the floor plate can be configured in whatever fashion a tenant needs. With dropped ceilings and raised floors its fairly easy to change and update systems. That era building was built with insulated glass and a reasonable tight envelope and the landlord is often responsible for suppling AC, so as long as it works the tenant doesn't care where it comes from or how efficient the system is. I wonder if the same old model that worked for buildings put up pre 1990 applies to office towers built in the last 30 years. I was in a meeting held in 1818 Market St. and once I got off the elevators it seemed to me that I could have in a fresh, newly built tower.

Floor plate size, configuration and ceiling heights. But I'm not sure how much these things matter to most Philly tenants.

[Jawnadelphia]

Baseball is back! Holiday Inn is nearly gone. And oceans of parking still, for anyone worrying.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvmC8VTBql0/

[Brandywine Rocks]

San Diego build an entire neighborhood around their new baseball ball park. Over $5 B in in ancillary development around the ball park. Washington similar.

Philadelphia needs to follow that blueprint for success.

This is amazing

Photo Courtesy of San Diego Padres

San Diego 1998




San Diego 2018

[Nomad9]

Why’d they tear down the Holiday Inn?

But agreed about the parking lots. I’d love to see that area turned into dense new neightbroods.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by Nomad9

Why’d they tear down the Holiday Inn?

But agreed about the parking lots. I’d love to see that area turned into dense new neightbroods.

Replacing it with this:
https://www.philly.com/philly/business/t...-cordish-2020-startup-pgcb-20181128.html

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by Brandywine Rocks

San Diego build an entire neighborhood around their new baseball ball park. Over $5 B in in ancillary development around the ball park. Washington similar.

Philadelphia needs to follow that blueprint for success.

Other examples include: San Francisco (where the Giants are supposed to start working on their Mission Rock parcel soon), Cincinnati (whose Banks district lies between the Reds and Bengals stadiums), and -- closer to home -- DC. Even St. Louis is working on their Ballpark Village by the Cards' stadium. Us and Pittsburgh really need to get on the ball with stadium-area redevelopment, yo.

[alasi]

Actually, a lot of the neigh orhood around the ballpark in San Diego was already planned to be developed before the stadium.

[cardeza]

Originally Posted by alasi

Actually, a lot of the neigh orhood around the ballpark in San Diego was already planned to be developed before the stadium.

Based on the above photos there was a lot of open space and parking lots in that area prior to the stadium being built- not exactly analogous to CC Philly in 1998 or any other year. That would be like building a stadium in one of the lesser populated section of West Philly or along the Delaware riverfront.

[PHL10]

Originally Posted by cardeza

Based on the above photos there was a lot of open space and parking lots in that area prior to the stadium being built- not exactly analogous to CC Philly in 1998 or any other year. That would be like building a stadium in one of the lesser populated section of West Philly or along the Delaware riverfront.

Agreed, further that area was all marsh and I think even small developments need piles as opposed to a conventional foundation.

[Londonee]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

Other examples include: San Francisco (where the Giants are supposed to start working on their Mission Rock parcel soon), Cincinnati (whose Banks district lies between the Reds and Bengals stadiums), and -- closer to home -- DC. Even St. Louis is working on their Ballpark Village by the Cards' stadium. Us and Pittsburgh really need to get on the ball with stadium-area redevelopment, yo.

A lot of these examples are ballparks in urban cores. Like SFO's park is as central as central gets. We made our bed 20 years ago when we re-upped on the sports complex concept w/ our new stadiums. I know this is a topic you guys love to fantasize about, but i just don't see any appeal to being down there. I had to work for 6months at the Wells Fargo center and it was awful - game day traffic added 30minutes to an 8 minute commute. Even if it infills, it will be with shlocky faux stuff and mostly chain stores. As an urbanist who appreciates urban fabric - it will never be interesting or cool down there - even if every block is filled in with new construction.

We made our beds 20 years ago, we're lying in it for the next 50 or so. That's it. If you like the idea of arena's in urban cores (as I do), then we should all hope that Mr. Harris and co decide to build a new Sixers only bball arena someplace near CC (i've begun to warm to the idea about the space near/adjacent to Cira Center above the tracks)...

[PhilliesPhan]

When planning a new location for a baseball stadium, the city should have brought it back to the section of the city where Philly baseball was born: North Philly! In my opinion, a baseball stadium at Broad and Lehigh--the site of the former Baker Bowl--would have been the best option for an urban ballpark. People from anywhere in the metro area could arrive at the ballpark via SEPTA (assuming that a ballpark would have entailed North Broad's conversion back to an all-stop station and the return of express BSL service at North Philadelphia), as the Broad Street Line and 12 of the 13 Regional Rail lines pass through that area. For those who would absolutely need to drive in, North Broad Street could easily handle the vehicle traffic that would come with a stadium. Fans would have also been treated to fantastic views of the skyline, as the parcel in question is perched atop a hill. Finally, with everything set to occur in North Central during the next few years, the area could have easily become a live-work-play oasis in the middle of a rougher (but not the worst) section of North Philly.

To be honest, tearing down Shibe Park was a huge mistake.

[GtownFriend]

From Naked Philly:
Last year it was the new Sixers arena at 30th st,
this year it's Dupont Yards at Phestival Pier...
http://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/northern-liberties/phestival-pier-nice-ring

[iheartphilly]

^
April fool's stunt bro. They do it every year...LOL.

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by GtownFriend

From Naked Philly:
Last year it was the new Sixers arena at 30th st,
this year it's Dupont Yards at Phestival Pier...
http://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/northern-liberties/phestival-pier-nice-ring

That would be sweet!!!...




.... if it weren't April fools.

[Redddog]

But Honestly, why the hail can't we do something like this!?

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by GtownFriend

From Naked Philly:
Last year it was the new Sixers arena at 30th st,
this year it's Dupont Yards at Phestival Pier...

April fools? LOL

[summersm343]

I'm perfectly fine leaving the Stadiums where they are. No point in moving them to Center City or University City now. Let those areas continue to build out naturally.

Build a mixed-use district around the stadiums with office, residential, hotels, museums and retail and it would be a perfect set up.

Philly needs to learn to build more districts outside of Center City that will attract tourists.

[Boku]

Originally Posted by summersm343

I'm perfectly fine leaving the Stadiums where they are. No point in moving them to Center City or University City now. Let those areas continue to build out naturally.

Build a mixed-use district around the stadiums with office, residential, hotels, museums and retail and it would be a perfect set up.

Philly needs to learn to build more districts outside of Center City that will attract tourists.

It's been slow and steady. Xfinity Live is already there. The casino and the esports arena are being built, hopefully Comcast's proposed office building will as well. From the Philly.com article about the new arena: "The company may add yet more development on the site, say those with knowledge of the company’s thinking." I expect to hear more in the next year or two.

[Groundhog]

I love the stadiums being clustered together and every time I have a visitor from out of town that sees it, they're blown away by the fact that everything is so well planned out and together. Explained it to a friend in town from Phoenix the other day and she nodded, but then when we got there her jaw dropped that they were all RIGHT next to each other. I've seen that same reaction from more friends than I can count over the years.

Also, think of the mixed tailgates we'll be having this summer when the 6ers and in the ECF (fingers crossed) and the Phillies are leading the division (crossing other fingers) and have games on the same day. That just makes the experience so much more amazing than any other city can match. And, conversely, think of how much of a cluster traffic around the entire city would be if these stadiums were spread out. Keep them where they are and build around them.

West Philly is growing as well as anywhere and doesn't need the theoretical infusion a stadium can provide, same for North Philly/along the river as has been proposed in the past. And please, for the love of god, let Jersey come to it's senses and not give the 6ers an offer they can't refuse to move the team to Camden once their lease is up with "The Center".

Honestly, I'll consider the Fusion more of a Philly team once they have a stadium in the complex than I will the Union. South Philly is where pro sports belong in this town and we should keep it that way.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by Boku

It's been slow and steady. Xfinity Live is already there. The casino and the esports arena are being built, hopefully Comcast's proposed office building will as well. From the Philly.com article about the new arena: "The company may add yet more development on the site, say those with knowledge of the company’s thinking." I expect to hear more in the next year or two.

Yes, there will be more. Parternship between Cordish Co and Comcast to build out the area.

Aside from the office building and Fusion stadium, a high-rise hotel and two apartment buildings are also planned for what is being dubbed "Stadium District."

Here's the leasing brochure that shows the overall idea of the site plan:
http://cordishleasing.com/-/media/files/mixed-use-districts/xl_leasingbrochure.pdf