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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 6:10 AM
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I like the design and the idea. This looks very doable and will make it easier to get everyone on board. This thread will be 10 years old this October, seems fitting to have an approved stadium ready to start construction finally for this growing city.

Agreed; this seems like a very reasonable approach to me. It's quite modest, and at the same time provides a very straightforward path to expansion if/when need be.

Regarding the asymmetry: I would speculate that the larger side is intended to represent the first phase of permanent seating, while the smaller side looks like a simpler interim structure that would come down for the prospective next phase - which would presumably mirror what we're seeing here. The layout of this main/template section also appears to allow for an entire bowl (which we will hopefully need someday).
     
     
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Sip a pint a or two with a few paramedics or nurses and learn the current state of healthcare in Nova Scotia. Turns out what I have described is quite common, so common the 6 p.m. TV news could spend the first 30 minutes each day describing the mess. Hysteria my ass.
I did not claim that health care in NS is sweetness and light. There are very real problems that stem from a variety of sources (the disconnect between EHS and the rest of the system being a major one, the unresponsive bureaucracy of NSHA being another). The hysteria is related to your commentary on media coverage. They know health care horror stories are easy to find and get a huge reaction. They fuel the hysteria that leads to a large segment of the public believing that govt should spend nothing on anything - ferries, sports,economic development, whatever - and devote every last dime to health care. Throwing more money at a broken system will not solve our problems without a systemic overhaul plan.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 2:53 PM
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They receive about 2/3rds of their funding from provincial sources. Their revenue is only about $7 million annually. There is no visible means of support for the commitment they have made.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 3:30 PM
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So your 84 year old close friend is slowly dying with cancer in a central hospital and the hospital decides it needs the palliative care bed for someone down in the ER. And they tell you about 10:30 in the morning that your friend is being moved to a rural hospital an hour away. And because of the serious problems in healthcare it turns out that the ambulance transfer does not take place until 11 p.m.
Sip a pint a or two with a few paramedics or nurses and learn the current state of healthcare in Nova Scotia. Turns out what I have described is quite common, so common the 6 p.m. TV news could spend the first 30 minutes each day describing the mess. Hysteria my ass.
And that has what to do with a proposed stadium? Maybe you outta stay away from that hysteria cooked up by the leftist, intersectional amateurs at the Halifax Examiner that you seem to love.

You're blaming lack of education and now healthcare on a stadium that hasn't even started construction, you might want to stay away from the pints and remember you're living in Canada not the trade union corrupted auld country of the 70s.

Seriously, are you for real?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 3:36 PM
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I didn't realize that receiving provincial money makes one "a provincial government agency". I suspect the Governor-in-Council will be similarly surprised. Incidentally, a good chunk of that money is Atlantic Lottery money, not tax dollars. (No, we surely don't need to open a debate on the morality of lotto money here...)

I am also uncertain what this "commitment" is you speak of. The statement says SSE and SNS have "partnered...on a plan"; the "plan" apparently being that several of the member sports could be users of the stadium. This is exactly what we've been waiting for, in my opinion. This stadium can only be justified if it will be used by multiple community tenants, and that would include many of those sport governing bodies that belong to SNS.

(That could include the NS School Athletic Federation and the Atlantic Collegiate Athletic Association, though these are affiliate and associate members of SNS so it's unclear if they are part of the announcement. Of course the biggest partner could be -- and should be -- AUS, but they have yet to be heard from.)
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 6:08 PM
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 6:47 PM
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Agreed; this seems like a very reasonable approach to me. It's quite modest, and at the same time provides a very straightforward path to expansion if/when need be.
I agree.

The promoters can easily argue that this is similar to what the municipality should have anyway, but that this is CFL-ready and is a better deal than what HRM would get going it alone in the future. It is a much better proposal than trying to raise $200-300M for a CFL experiment with bells and whistles. Even if the CFL team does not work out, this facility would be a good addition to the city.
     
     
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And that has what to do with a proposed stadium?

Seriously, are you for real?
Personal experience of my wife and I in February.
You need to up your comprehension skills, unless you seriously believe our premier is about to pump money into a stadium when his approval ratings are in the low 30's. If you live in Dartmouth perhaps you should vote Liberal, Darren Fisher is all for a stadium, and don't forget to show up with your real name because hiding behind a pseudonym is not allowed at the polls.
     
     
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I didn't realize that receiving provincial money makes one "a provincial government agency". I suspect the Governor-in-Council will be similarly surprised. Incidentally, a good chunk of that money is Atlantic Lottery money, not tax dollars. (No, we surely don't need to open a debate on the morality of lotto money here...)

I am also uncertain what this "commitment" is you speak of. The statement says SSE and SNS have "partnered...on a plan"; the "plan" apparently being that several of the member sports could be users of the stadium. This is exactly what we've been waiting for, in my opinion. This stadium can only be justified if it will be used by multiple community tenants, and that would include many of those sport governing bodies that belong to SNS.

(That could include the NS School Athletic Federation and the Atlantic Collegiate Athletic Association, though these are affiliate and associate members of SNS so it's unclear if they are part of the announcement. Of course the biggest partner could be -- and should be -- AUS, but they have yet to be heard from.)
You are correct that they are an arms-length agency, but one that has very short arms. Not only because they are dependent upon provincial govt funding, but also have a very cosy relationship with CCH, the department that provides their funding and acts as their connection to govt. So "partnering" is only a partnership if both parties bring something to the table. In the case of SNS the only thing they bring to the table is that connection, which undoubtedly the proponents hope to use as a lever to pry loose some of those sweet provincial dollars.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 10:17 PM
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Personal experience of my wife and I in February.
You need to up your comprehension skills, unless you seriously believe our premier is about to pump money into a stadium when his approval ratings are in the low 30's. If you live in Dartmouth perhaps you should vote Liberal, Darren Fisher is all for a stadium, and don't forget to show up with your real name because hiding behind a pseudonym is not allowed at the polls.
No, but I see you're a big contributor to something pretending to be an online news site that calls itself "adversarial". Is that the new polite word for "fake news"? And I have a pseudonym because I am afraid of all the Internet wackos who I call out.

I had doubts about the stadium before seeing this latest deal. I think it is a realistic plan and likely the way it will now play out. It looks to be a winner even if the football team goes to hell. My only worry now is about how deep the pockets are of the ownership group 10 years down the road.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 11:29 PM
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No, but I see you're a big contributor to something pretending to be an online news site that calls itself "adversarial". Is that the new polite word for "fake news"? And I have a pseudonym because I am afraid of all the Internet wackos who I call out.

I had doubts about the stadium before seeing this latest deal. I think it is a realistic plan and likely the way it will now play out. It looks to be a winner even if the football team goes to hell. My only worry now is about how deep the pockets are of the ownership group 10 years down the road.
My 'big' contribution is a massive $10 a month. I'm not afraid to comment under my name, although others are. Not fake news although sometimes inaccurate which is normal for all 'news' outlets. It is definitely on the left side of the political spectrum. Make sure you read my post tomorrow.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 11:56 PM
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My 'big' contribution is a massive $10 a month. I'm not afraid to comment under my name, although others are. Not fake news although sometimes inaccurate which is normal for all 'news' outlets. It is definitely on the left side of the political spectrum. Make sure you read my post tomorrow.
No thanks, I worked in news when it was the news not leftist, intersectional nonsense. I unfortunately ended up there thinking I would be reading an actual journalistic piece on the stadium, not op-ed lefty claptrap. Saw your name on several comments and then it all became clear. It figures.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2019, 10:29 AM
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You are correct that they are an arms-length agency, but one that has very short arms. Not only because they are dependent upon provincial govt funding, but also have a very cosy relationship with CCH, the department that provides their funding and acts as their connection to govt. So "partnering" is only a partnership if both parties bring something to the table. In the case of SNS the only thing they bring to the table is that connection, which undoubtedly the proponents hope to use as a lever to pry loose some of those sweet provincial dollars.
I believe you overstate the "coziness" of that relationship. If you're right, if SSE hopes that connection will be a conduit to provincial dollars, I expect they'll be sorely disappointed.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2019, 3:05 PM
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The new argument for a stadium in Halifax might actually work
Drew Edwards 3downnation.com April 1, 2019

I’ve been something of a pessimist when it comes to the CFL’s expansion plans in Halifax, largely because I didn’t believe the group behind the project would be able to find the money to build a stadium.

Their initial plan hinged on being able to convince the municipal and provincial governments to give them something in the neighbourhood of $200 million to build a CFL-worthy facility: rich guys asking governments to support pro sports franchises – essentially to hand over wads of public money so they can get richer – is never a good look.

And sure enough, the noise coming from both Halifax regional council and the province was that public funding for a pro football stadium was essentially a non-starter. Sure, they voted to look at whatever Schooners Sports and Entertainment (SSE) came up with but the likelihood of a big financial ask getting approval seemed increasingly unlikely.

To their credit, SSE seems to have figured this out. SSE head Anthony LeBlanc told the assembled media after Saturday’s announcement that the group realized the old plan was political suicide.

“What we basically presented to city staff last fall and relayed to council … at that point we were at $170 to $190 million … this is a totally different model,” LeBlanc said. “That was a professional building based off what was recently built in Hamilton and Winnipeg. And we’ve said, ‘we get it. That’s just not going to happen here.’”

Instead, SSE has come up with a plan that involves the city and the province funding what amounts to a 12,000-seat community-use stadium with SSE paying out of their own pockets to add another 14,000 seats make it into a viable CFL facility.

It’s an unorthodox plan to be sure, but one that just might work.

Instead of asking politicians to fund a pro football stadium, they are being asked to support a stadium that will be used by a number of community sports organizations, including football, soccer and rugby. Getting Sport Nova Scotia on board was smart and CEO Jamie Ferguson spoke eloquently about the need for facilities and the role sports can play in the development of young hearts and minds.

So instead of asking politicians to pay for a football stadium for a pro team owned by rich guys and watched primarily by adults, the ask is now for a community stadium so kids (and adults) can play sports 300 days a year. That’s a far, far easier argument to make and it gives the politicians some much-needed cover: this isn’t about the CFL, it’s about the community.

It also shifts the discussion away from the supposed economic benefits of building a full-sized stadium – which have been largely debunked, in my opinion – and allows it to become more about the potential benefits to the larger community. Capital investments in things like sports fields or hockey rinks or art galleries or theatres aren’t just made with money in mind, they are made because they play a role in the social fabric of our communities.

Of course, just because it’s a better argument doesn’t mean it will work. Whether Halifax needs a 12,000-seat community stadium is a legitimate question, though the biggest facility in the city right now would appear to be the 6,500-seat Wanderers Grounds, the recently-renovated home of the new Canadian Premier League franchise: that’s pretty small for a city of 400,000-plus.

And the devil is always in the details. SSE has yet to submit a formal plan on how this all will actually work and there’s certainly no guarantee that any level of government – nevermind three – will sign on for this: the stadium will still require a significant amount of public investment and risk.

But while that hasn’t changed, the argument being put forward by SSE is infinitely better – so much so that they’ve actually given themselves and chance at succeeding.
     
     
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The federal Tories coughed up the money for the new Central library when the provincial NDP were refusing to provide funding. This year voters have a chance to vote Conservative in the hope that Scheer will promise money for a stadium.
In late 2020 we have a municipal election and nobody is promising to provide funds.
In 2021 we have a provincial election but as yet I don't see any party promising money for a stadium, although MacNeil has been strong on funding a new arts centre on the waterfront.
     
     
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Funding of arts centres are always a waste of political capital for Libs and Tories since the artsy types only ever support the NDP. He will get virtually zero votes from doing that. The SSE bunch need to start lobbying the Feds big time if they want this to go forward. The province is a dry hole but HRM is loaded with money and could easily cough up $60 mil or so. That is only the price of the Forum renovation and the unnecessary bike bridge off the Macdonald, both of which could easily be shelved.
     
     
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The SSE bunch need to start lobbying the Feds big time if they want this to go forward.
Official lobbying has already begun.
     
     
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This year voters have a chance to vote Conservative in the hope that Scheer will promise money for a stadium
Federal Conservatives won't promise money for a stadium, but one more scandal by the "fake feminist" and Liberal stadium money will be in the bag.
     
     
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The Rick Howe Show - 12pm Monday, April 1, 2019

A plan to establish a CFL franchise in Atlantic Canada took a big step forward Saturday when Schooners Sports and Entertainment announced it had struck a tentative deal with a key property owner in the Halifax area. We talk about it with Atlantic Schooners founding partner Anthony Leblanc.
     
     
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