Great Canadian Skyline Thread II - Page 515

Wpg_Guy · #**10281** Posted **Mar 24, 2019, 4:19 AM**

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvUUt02Aqrv/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvUSg_zjyJQ/

itom 987 · #**10282** Posted **Mar 24, 2019, 5:41 AM**

Edmonton AB Moon by Amine Abassir, on Flickr

mcminsen · #**10283** Posted **Mar 24, 2019, 6:18 AM**

A few spring skyline shots from around the Commercial Drive area of Vancouver.

March 23 '19, my pics

Coldrsx · #**10284** Posted **Mar 24, 2019, 4:21 PM**

Love that area.

Martin Mtl · #**10285** Posted **Mar 24, 2019, 5:19 PM**

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvZXw_cAtvH/

vanman · #**10286** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 3:36 AM**

[QUOTE=TorontoDrew;8514977]

City of Night by Rixin Wang, on Flickr

Do I have this right? The skyline in the foreground is part of Cityplace, the one behind that is Humber Bay and the one in the background is Mississuaga?

Gresto · #**10287** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 4:11 AM**

True.

Rico Rommheim · #**10288** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 4:18 AM**

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Ville de Montréal vue de la Tour Olympique-4783 by MaPige on Flickr

Kant Weight to see this view in about 3 years from now.

The skyline has come a long way since the dark days of the early 2000s.

mousquet · #**10289** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 2:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

Kant Weight to see this view in about 3 years from now.

The skyline has come a long way since the dark days of the early 2000s.

At some point, you guys obviously need towers beyond 200m tall.

We have some figure of speech for this idiotic cultural phenomenon limiting height or progress here.
It's been called a "plafond de verre", a glass ceiling.
I think it first came from a woman that described racial discriminations on the French labor market.
Like there were Fr Blacks and people with some North African background, with valuable engineering degrees that would be left jobless because of racism.
I'll confess, it made me burst in tears like an emotional girl a couple of times when I was younger.
Because it's so unfair, appalling and disgusting.

There's some plafond de verre when it comes to skyscrapers over there too.
The good news is the more highrises you get, the greater the pressure to blow the factitious ceiling up.
That's what we've been desperately waiting for in Paris's suburbs such as la Défense.
In downtown Montreal as well, apparently.

isaidso · #**10290** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 4:09 PM**

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At some point, you guys obviously need towers beyond 200m tall.

We have some figure of speech for this idiotic cultural phenomenon limiting height or progress here.

Younger generations are far more comfortable with tall buildings than the current generation in power. When they retire we'll likely see these restrictions lifted. It's frustrating to wait but it will be decades before Montreal gets a 250-400m building.

TorontoDrew · #**10291** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 4:19 PM**

Downtown Toronto by Franklin McKay, on Flickr

Denscity · #**10292** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 4:31 PM**

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Younger generations are far more comfortable with tall buildings than the current generation in power. When they retire we'll likely see these restrictions lifted. It's frustrating to wait but it will be decades before Montreal gets a 250-400m building.

Vancouver has the same problem.

WhipperSnapper · #**10293** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Younger generations are far more comfortable with tall buildings than the current generation in power. When they retire we'll likely see these restrictions lifted. It's frustrating to wait but it will be decades before Montreal gets a 250-400m building.

Understanding the repercussions with building really tall and that it isn't always the best course is already translating to younger generations being priced out of Canadian markets and those in the field of study. The superficial fascination with taller and taller in our world and that it is necessary in elevating status and/or the basis of sound planning is not reality.

It's also naive to suggest zoning restrictions are solely responsible for 400 metre towers from not being built in Canada. It infers height is most important to developers too.

250 metres isn't affordable. 400 metres will be exorbitant for the forseeable future.

Chadillaccc · #**10294** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 4:46 PM**

https://www.robertscott.ca/

mousquet · #**10295** Posted **Mar 25, 2019, 5:06 PM**

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Understanding the repercussions with building really tall and that it isn't always the best course is already translating to younger generations being priced out of Canadian markets and those in the field of study. The superficial fascination with taller and taller in our world and that it is necessary in elevating status and/or the basis of sound planning is not reality.

It's also naive to suggest zoning restrictions are solely responsible for 400 metre towers from not being built in Canada. It infers height is most important to developers too.

250 metres isn't affordable. 400 metres will be exorbitant for the forseeable future.

Ok, fancy supertalls may be silly fantasy in many cases.
But it all depends on one's built environment. Right now where I am, the average price of a square meter simply doesn't fit the actual quality and amenities of what we get, and it's a serious concern.
It's downright a scam based on a lazy annuity economy and a lack of innovation.
It's not like everyone is a super millionaire and can afford to upgrade a 400 m2 flat from the 19th century or older in Central Paris.
We've been fed up with the tension on the housing market here, cause there's still so much of demand and not enough decent supply.
It doesn't work that way either, you'll agree.

So, in such a case, supertalls are needed to relieve the average market.
I'm not quite aware of the Canadian situation, though.
Generally speaking, I just usually believe in the "dream bigger" concept.
I think it's good common sense.

WhipperSnapper · #**10296** Posted **Mar 26, 2019, 12:04 AM**

Toronto has an affordability crisis with 200 high rises under construction built to densities that are on the top of the world despite not one tower reaching 400 metres tall. It's inaccurate to gauge the size of development by how many metres tall it is. Toronto has several supertalls underway selling at $15,000 a sq.m and that is about the minimum amount in order for developers to express interest in building supertalls. They aren't remotely economical to develop. I don't see how they would factor into providing market relief when it comes to affordability. It's not as simply as supply and demand in keeping things affordable when hot investor markets no longer exist within their own bubbles. Demand is inflated by outside investor capable of paying above a community's means. Supply is deflated in many ways. Unoccupied units is one example.

I'm guessing but, 40 sq.m in a new or well managed place will cost you 320 to $400,000 in downtown Toronto. That's pretty shitty all things considered.

someone123 · #**10297** Posted **Mar 26, 2019, 2:53 AM**

Toronto has a political and regulatory crisis. Politically connected homeowners don't want construction in their tranquil and transit-accessible 1920's detached housing neighbourhoods. They can live with deteriorating housing affordability, particularly if it has the side-effect of driving up the value of their property. They already have theirs.

As a compromise some development has been permitted along commercial corridors but it cannot be affordable because the supply of this type of land is too low and land costs are too high.

Most of the people who are bearing the brunt of this are clueless about what is going on and think "greedy developers" are the cause and that government subsidy for affordable housing is the answer. This is like asking the government to solve muggings by giving people $200 in cash every time they get mugged.

I don't really know about the politics of Paris but urban-form-wise it's already in the state that Toronto would be transitioning to if the free market were allowed to operate, plus it is much more historic. Paris seems to fewer good development options. Canadian cities have tons of development options but some are too politically paralyzed and corrupt to take advantage of them.

niwell · #**10298** Posted **Mar 26, 2019, 11:38 AM**

Toronto isn't going to build it's way to affordability, no matter how much regulations are relaxed. As long as housing is treated as an investment commodity to be sold at ever increasing prices we are screwed. Already too much of the supply is in the hands of too few.

WhipperSnapper · #**10299** Posted **Mar 26, 2019, 6:41 PM**

Exactly.

To say Toronto isn't pro development and some limited heritage planning in established neighbourhoods that are still seeing redevelopment and intensification is impeding affordability is just nuts. I live in one of the those neighbourhoods. Fear of multi-family or mixed use development wasn't what drove the implementation of heritage districts. It was developers demolishing single family character homes to built insipid single family new homes such as the suburban snout nose in its place. The city is not going to argue someone tearing down one house, subdividing the lot, and building two semis providing the design compliments the built environment of the neighbourhood. Neither do they have any legal grounds to keep me from converting a single family home into condo apartments in most of these areas. There's just is no reason for a developer to divide a house up over transforming it into a monster home which investors will pay just about anything to have.

There are a dozen or more "Avenue" condo buildings that have been built in my neighbourhood over the past 10 years with another half dozen under construction. There aren't cheap but, it has little to do with it being an expensive form to build. It's the property values. A rundown mechanic shop on a half acre property will set you back several million dollars.

J.OT13 · #**10300** Posted **Mar 26, 2019, 7:33 PM**

Ottawa

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D829416 by Chuck Clark, on Flickr