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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture
10m is nothing when it comes to an elevated railway. not even close to enough. that guide-way would be at about bedroom window height, and 10m is not nearly enough. and just because you don't see their arguments valid about neighbourhood character, doesn't mean you can just dismiss them as pricks. real-estate is about location and you can't blame people for wanting to keep that.
the problem is people are too 1 way or the other. we get people like you calling them pricks, and we get people like them saying nothing is acceptable. but once you start going into name calling, all that does is make them loose interest in finding some sort of compromise. you can't make everyone happy, but you can at least pretend to care about their concerns instead of labelling them as pointless and pricks. that doesn't help one little bit.
you can't just dismiss peoples concerns for their neighbourhood by calling them pricks. SkyTrain got a reputation of crime because it happened; that was a fact back in the day. that is why the Transit Police were created because this was a legitimate issue. (the only armed real police force transit police in Canada). you can't start name calling people because they are skeptical. you need to show facts and evidence as best you can. if they choose not to believe it, so be it. but name calling them will not help.
this honestly just sounds like more of this forums typical "blah blah blah stupid privileged west side blah blah blah." i don't even live by where this train would go and i would sign up to stop them putting a elevated train outside their windows; that is just blatantly the wrong choice for this.
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... Ten metres is three lanes and a sidewalk. And there'd likely be a sound barrier on the guideway (roof height, not bedroom height). Many parts of the Expo and Evergreen get 5-10m of space; the HSBC in Richmond is practically kissing the Canada Line; I've got buses, Harleys, sirens and Italian midlife crisis-mobiles going by every night, right below my window. You learn to filter things out.
Bear in mind that these are the same residents that, for "property values," blocked seawall expansion, hospital upgrades and even sidewalk upgrades, and that literally snuck over to a public park to cut down public trees. At some point, the rest of the city has to politely and firmly tell them to go fly a kite.
Crime
at the stations is what the Transit Police is for. Somehow, SkyTrain is responsible for
all the crime in the neighbourhood. No other reason at all.
Given what Feathered Friend has gone through this last week, "🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵" is the politest term for some of these... people. Pretending is what City reps do. Then they get similar amounts of flak for "not listening." Facts and evidence, even contrary anecdotes, do not work when the only objective is "get everything we want: no change whatsoever."
I understand that you and other might dislike el-ways, and that's fine. Try to understand that not everybody does; there's UBC/Point Grey riders, future residents, local urbanists, the silent majority that really doesn't care, all who'd gain (or at least not be disadvantaged) by a SkyTrain running through West 8th. I'd sign up for one if my street was wide enough - things can hardly get louder.
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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture
there is a case to be made for some portions to be elevated and/or at grade, though. just as there is a case to be made to stop it at Arbutus, and a case made for continuing to UBC. personally i think it should go all the way to UBC. but it is true ~50% of the riders disembark before UBC by Arbutus mostly.
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True, but that's not counting future growth, or all the riders on other buses that'd switch to a SkyTrain practically overnight. Contrary to NIMBYs' beliefs, there's more than "a half-empty bus for students" - I mean really, we already went through this 🞵🞵🞵🞵 with the Canada Line!
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no wonder there is so much division.
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