Phoenix Development News (3)

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by Patrick

^^^Seriously...why...even a light tan would have been a thousand times better than this.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

I think it was already a light tan

I know it's a little overused right now...especially with the Renaissance remodel across the street, but a nice shade of grey over the brown brick would work really well.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Classical in Phoenix

More Meow Wolf negativity.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/arts/meo...roversy-after-critic-lashes-out-11243720

Trying to read that article is just

I really cant stand most of the art community.

[exit2lef]

Originally Posted by Obadno

Trying to read that article is just

I really cant stand most of the art community.

The New Times article is about the reaction the first anti-MW piece. I'm actually glad to see that so many local artists have rejected the negativity of the original article.

[biggus diggus]

Why does it seem like the people complaining always seem to have an attitude that only poor people can be artists? Specifically I'm speaking about the Alwun house owner's quote.

[Classical in Phoenix]

Originally Posted by biggus diggus

Why does it seem like the people complaining always seem to have an attitude that only poor people can be artists? Specifically I'm speaking about the Alwun house owner's quote.

I agree. And as for gentrification, it's going to happen anyway. The land is just too valuable. I think this project brings diversity to the area.

[Classical in Phoenix]

More info on Regency Garage. Did not know there were tennis courts on the roof.

https://kjzz.org/content/818681/phoenix-...DQHMXKR4r5ZAibbhSTVLgzaw4Iw7TYZyAdgrwhQI

[TJPHXskyscraperfan]

So, wow, these stop the tower, Savephoenixhomes signs are popping up everywhere. So Who wants and how can we start a campaign to save the desert and quit stopping Phoenix from progressing and growing?

[Classical in Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan

So, wow, these stop the tower, Savephoenixhomes signs are popping up everywhere. So Who wants and how can we start a campaign to save the desert and quit stopping Phoenix from progressing and growing?

On a related note, didn't the city council table the vote on the country club "tower" to today's meeting?

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan

So, wow, these stop the tower, Savephoenixhomes signs are popping up everywhere. So Who wants and how can we start a campaign to save the desert and quit stopping Phoenix from progressing and growing?

I've been seeing these in places they don't even belong. Nobody up and down Central Ave...especially in front of high rises is going to care if this "tower" goes up or not. It is being so over-inflated, it's ridiculous. This is only 13 floors. Downtown Scottsdale has taller. Oh, but Downtown Scottsdale is soooo blighted! How can they stand having those condo towers there??

I guess they would rather have a closed up gas station and one of the worst Circle K's in the area instead. Such a stupid argument against this.

[ASUSunDevil]

I hope the Councilwoman sees the "Pass the Grey Poupon!" line before continuing to take these losers serious:

http://savephoenixhomes.com

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by ASUSunDevil

I hope the Councilwoman sees the "Pass the Grey Poupon!" line before continuing to take these losers serious:

http://savephoenixhomes.com

"We do not have great expectations that the Developer is willing to compromise on height"

They've already brought it down 75' from the original proposed height. They won't be happy until it's only 4 floors no matter what the Country Club proposes.

[PHXFlyer11]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

They've already brought it down 75' from the original proposed height. They won't be happy until it's only 4 floors no matter what the Country Club proposes.

From what I can tell, this is all basically one 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. The facebook page was overtaken with tons of comments supporting the project, while only a few agreed and were very unintelligent.

Looks like the owner of the campaign and page has now removed most of the negative comments. There is still very little support at all. Despite the stupid signs. This guy doesn't even know how to make a legitimate case. I think people see through the stupid hyperbole.

- Save Phoenix Homes - Well no homes are being lost/destroyed.
- Height = Blight - Quite the opposite, just a dumb lying rhyme.
- Pass the Grey Poupon - Sigh... most of these will be priced much less than the homes that supposed will be "blighted" by the tower.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

I've been seeing these in places they don't even belong. Nobody up and down Central Ave...especially in front of high rises is going to care if this "tower" goes up or not. It is being so over-inflated, it's ridiculous. This is only 13 floors. Downtown Scottsdale has taller. Oh, but Downtown Scottsdale is soooo blighted! How can they stand having those condo towers there??

I guess they would rather have a closed up gas station and one of the worst Circle K's in the area instead. Such a stupid argument against this.

They have the signs in Melrose over 3 miles away

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

From what I can tell, this is all basically one 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. The facebook page was overtaken with tons of comments supporting the project, while only a few agreed and were very unintelligent.

Looks like the owner of the campaign and page has now removed most of the negative comments. There is still very little support at all. Despite the stupid signs. This guy doesn't even know how to make a legitimate case. I think people see through the stupid hyperbole.

- Save Phoenix Homes - Well no homes are being lost/destroyed.
- Height = Blight - Quite the opposite, just a dumb lying rhyme.
- Pass the Grey Poupon - Sigh... most of these will be priced much less than the homes that supposed will be "blighted" by the tower.

I have a feeling its a couple guys that live in the country club that will be able to see the tower from their backyards.

[PHXFlyer11]

Originally Posted by Obadno

I have a feeling its a couple guys that live in the country club that will be able to see the tower from their backyards.

Probably. They sound about 80 years old as well. I think this only seems like alot of noise. But the reality is it's a few guys being really loud. I'd be shocked (and very disappointed) if they did not approve this.

The thing that makes me laugh is that I could probably think of a couple logical arguments against it if I really wanted to. But there is no logic at all to the comments and message they put out. So it's like a double-wammy in my book. I'm OK with disagreement, but for God's sake, have an effective argument atleast.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

Probably. They sound about 80 years old as well. I think this only seems like alot of noise. But the reality is it's a few guys being really loud. I'd be shocked (and very disappointed) if they did not approve this.

The thing that makes me laugh is that I could probably think of a couple logical arguments against it if I really wanted to. But there is no logic at all to the comments and message they put out. So it's like a double-wammy in my book. I'm OK with disagreement, but for God's sake, have an effective argument atleast.

A little Q&A regarding this from KJZZ, Although it's a little mis-informative as this is a condo project and not an apartment project. But it does paint more of a positive light as to why this should be approved by the City of Phoenix.

https://kjzz.org/content/826701/how-does...expert-weighs-city-council-votes-phoenix

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

Probably. They sound about 80 years old as well. I think this only seems like alot of noise. But the reality is it's a few guys being really loud. I'd be shocked (and very disappointed) if they did not approve this.

The thing that makes me laugh is that I could probably think of a couple logical arguments against it if I really wanted to. But there is no logic at all to the comments and message they put out. So it's like a double-wammy in my book. I'm OK with disagreement, but for God's sake, have an effective argument atleast.

Its just ludicrous from the start fro the reasons weve discussed.

If you want to live in the central city, tall buildings come with it, if you want a big sprawling house and no highrises there is plenty of that in Scottsdale, Arcadia, PV, and the far northeast.

[CrestedSaguaro]

....and it got knocked down to 110' per Pastor's recommendation with varying staggered heights....shortest closest to 7th St.. On the positive side, a stipulation was included to perform a study to remove the reversible lanes from McDowell to Osborne. I'm hoping that is something that comes to fruition.

[biggus diggus]

I've mentioned it before but as someone who uses 7th avenue and street daily in traffic hours I would support getting rid of those lanes. Very hazardous due partly to ignorance and and parly because some people refuse to abide.

[Obadno]

Nobody linked this yet:

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...y-council-denies-controversial-high.html

Phoenix City Council unanimously voted against a controversial high-rise zoning request — but left the door open for future discussions.

Sunbelt Holdings Inc.'s plans to build a 125-unit, $75 million high-rise condominium tower on the parking lot of the Phoenix Country Club was strongly opposed by many residents, who maintained in campaign-style signage posted on street corners in the area that "height is blight."

Instead, Council voted to deny the high-rise zoning request as well as capping any future developments at the northeast corner of Seventh Street and Thomas Road to 110 feet — essentially cutting in half what Sunbelt requested.

"I want to approve mid-rise zoning temporarily to settle the height debate," Councilmember Laura Pastor said in her motion to deny high-rise zoning. She represents District 4, which includes the Phoenix Country Club site. She also required the developer to work on a planned unit development within 12 months.

During the past month, Pastor met with neighbors and the developer in an attempt to craft an agreement, but after all those talks, the building height was still the biggest issue.

When Sunbelt CEO John Graham originally submitted his zoning request to the city, the tower started out at 225 feet high, which is the same height as Crystal Point condominium tower at Ninth Street and Osborn Road.

Pastor also presented a long list of other stipulations in her motion, including studying the feasibility of the reversible turn lanes along Seventh Street near the project.