Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

How many other office towers do we know of that are planned? 600 S Main? Are there any others?

I can think of 5 projects that are either office buildings or projects that include office space besides T-8 that are planned. I'm not sure how far along any of these are, or if they are all still in the works.

1. Hardware Station - 10 floors. 200,000 square feet. Part of the Hardware District (Phase II).


2. Hardware Crossing - 4 floors. 60,000 square feet. Second office building as part of the Second Phase of the Hardware District. I've never seen an actual rendering of the building. This 2017 article from Building Salt Lake discusses it: https://www.buildingsaltlake.com/first-phase-hardware-district-nears-halfway-mark/


3. 650 Main - 10 floors. 320,000 square feet. Planned by the Patrinely Group.


This is sometimes listed with a second phase with a second identical tower, but the Patrinely Group Website only lists the one facing Main Street. I'm not sure if that means they have since abandoned the second phase or are focusing on phase 1 for now. It is still listed with 2 phases on the Downtown Rising page which raises it to approximately 600,000 square feet. https://www.downtownrising.com/go/patrinely-building


4. 370 Millennium Tower - aprox 27 floors. Unknown sq feet. Project website: http://lccpropertiesgroup.com/portfolio/370-millennium-tower/






5: Block 67. I believe both Phase 1 and Phase 2 have office space planned, though this will be more mixed-use development. If the Downtown Rising page on the project is to be believed (though I think the project has been updated since it was written) there is approximately 430,000 square feet of office space planned in total. https://www.downtownrising.com/go/block-67

Old rendering of the entire development.

Newer rendering of the development.


I'm really hopeful that at least most of these projects will be realized fully, though I suspect some may change as the market changes.

[Comrade]

370 Millennium Tower is likely dead.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

Glad to see The Exchange moving forward.

If Lowe can really do what they're saying, then good on them.

As far as maintenance of older buildings goes - I wish I knew a good, easy solution. I think it would be very wise to take a serious look at how these landlords keep up their properties, or more properly don't often keep them up. Residents being low-income is no excuse to allow them to live in buildings that are literally falling apart before their eyes.

Somehow Europe has managed to find a way to keep buildings that are hundreds of years old suitable for residential use, and it seems that they destroy MUCH less old architecture there. I'm not opposed to new architecture by any means, and sometimes it is better than the alternative. But there is definite value in preserving old architecture even beyond the aesthetic - so the real question is, how can we encourage landlords to actually keep up their properties well enough that they don't become so dilapidated that they end up like the La France Apartments or the complex in west Sugarhouse that Comrade mentioned?

I think the only solution is for properties beyond a certain value or square footage to be rigorously assesed by the city every five years. We shouldn't wait for large numbers of complaints to come in to act. By that time the state of the property is often too far gone. Let's be proactive and prevent these large blighted properties from becoming that way in the first place.

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by Comrade

370 Millennium Tower is likely dead.

I suspect the same, though I will still hold out hope. I wonder if we are going to hear later something along the lines of, 'just kidding, its only going to be five floors and two of those are parking.'

[airhero]

Looks like the exterior of East Village will in fact be almost entirely stucco. The biggest thing I was looking forward to with Hardware Village when it was first proposed was the high quality of the materials. I guess they really had to cut some costs. It's disappointing:



Where in this whole process did they make the move to stucco? The documents submitted to the planning commission show virtually no stucco on any of the buildings, just look at the sheet notes:



But now, the entire dark brown portion of the building on the right side of the top image, which was detailed to be a "Smoky mtn/Mocha brick" exterior has been finished in grey stucco, and East Village is now beige stucco. I'm not sure arris tile would have looked great but stucco always looks bad.

[Makid]

Originally Posted by airhero

Looks like the exterior of East Village will in fact be almost entirely stucco. The biggest thing I was looking forward to with Hardware Village when it was first proposed was the high quality of the materials. I guess they really had to cut some costs. It's disappointing:



Where in this whole process did they make the move to stucco? The documents submitted to the planning commission show virtually no stucco on any of the buildings, just look at the sheet notes:

But now, the entire dark brown portion of the building on the right side of the top image, which was detailed to be a "Smoky mtn/Mocha brick" exterior has been finished in grey stucco, and East Village is now beige stucco. I'm not sure arris tile would have looked great but stucco always looks bad.

East Village is the Left side of the image. To me it always looked to be stucco. I hope that the West side (along 5th West) will remain brick.

[zurich]

"Hardware Village" is god awful. A change to stucco from that nice brick should have been posted as a public notice - its totally different. If I lived in the area and had to stare at the POC every day, I wouldn't be happy.

Until there is a big tech firm, big bank or something of that magnitude, I cannot imagine you see massive high dollar, high quality developments. However, with Tower 8, the new CCH and other quality towers, it might spark a new movement. I sense that we're at the VERY beginning of big changes downtown.

Side note, I also think they need to beautify the area / entrance from Hwy 80 / 15 interchange into downtown. I remember thinking how ugly that area was when driving into downtown.

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by Comrade

370 Millennium Tower is likely dead.

Do tell. Love to hear your insight. I've always looked at the Millennium Tower as one of the main projects that was hanging on the CCH progress as it (at least initially) was scheduled to be a hospitality and residential play. I think these types of projects become much more likely now, especially since Held is no spring chicken. They have a ton of inventory in LA. In fact a bunch of our development pipeline right now is tied to LA. It's not like the People Water guy and his pipe dream.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by Marvland

Do tell. Love to hear your insight. I've always looked at the Millennium Tower as one of the main projects that was hanging on the CCH progress as it (at least initially) was scheduled to be a hospitality and residential play. I think these types of projects become much more likely now, especially since Held is no spring chicken. They have a ton of inventory in LA. In fact a bunch of our development pipeline right now is tied to LA. It's not like the People Water guy and his pipe dream.

His insight is pessimism based on SLC history of cool projects never actually seeing the light of day.

[airhero]

Originally Posted by Makid

East Village is the Left side of the image. To me it always looked to be stucco. I hope that the West side (along 5th West) will remain brick.

Yes East Village is the left side. Under sheet notes it say arris tile for the exterior. I assumed it was white brick when the renderings first came out but I never looked at the materials description. The most recent renderings on their website it definitely looks like stucco, but it didn't always look that way. The above were the drawings submitted to the planning commission. No stucco anywhere. The reason I pointed out the right portion of the right buiding (West Village) is because that is also stucco now. Grey stucco. So for the portions of these buildings fronting 200 North, what was once planned to be essentially 0% stucco is now 60-70% stucco. The left portion of the right building is brick. They definitely changed the finishing materials. Even looking at the TSA development score sheet for East Village, they are given a 15/15 for quality exterior materials, which I believe means 80% or more of the street facing facade is clad in high quality materials. In the TSA development guide, stucco is specifically called out for not meeting the requirement for high quality material. With the change to stucco, they would get 0/15 now. I'm just wondering when and how this change to stucco happened if that's apparently not what was initially approved?

I'm sure the townhouses on the west side of east village will still be a higher quality exterior. They were supposed to be really nice.

[airhero]

I stopped by the Paxton 365 site this morning and there was active excavation going on. Sorry for the poor image but there were workers onsite and they were digging.

[wrendog]

Jackie bikuspi no running for re election

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by wrendog

Jackie bikuspi no running for re election

I was very happy to see Biskupski dropped out.

[Old&New]

I read in the Tribune that Christian Harrison is supposed to launch his campaign for Mayor. He would be very good IMO; He’s a very good organizer/orchestrator and has many many connections. He’s also a resident of downtown/pioneer park area and has been the chair of downtown’s community council for at least a decade, if not more.

[Always Sunny in SLC]

Originally Posted by Stenar

I was very happy to see Biskupski dropped out.

I am happy knowing she will not be the mayor soon, but I am sorry to hear it is serious family issues. I guess assuming that is not just cover so she doesn't have to acknowledge her polling numbers are awful. It was always off putting to me that she never seemed to acknowledge any personal responsibility for the problems during her time in office and would just use her status as a gay woman to claim it was bigotry/prejudice without offering evidence for it. Accusing people who don't care for your polices, leadership or behavior of being motivated by an anti gay bias is a pretty serious charge and deserves evidence.

[Utah_Dave]

Future mayor for Mayor? Too soo?

[csbxvs]

Biskupski has been a complete disaster for Salt Lake. Her terrible vision and leadership cost the city all its momentum right before the height of the area's largest construction boom ever. I'm glad she's stepping aside, but whoever comes next will have a lot of work to get the city back on track to serve as the urban policy leader for the rest of the state.

[Always Sunny in SLC]

Originally Posted by csbxvs

Biskupski has been a complete disaster for Salt Lake. Her terrible vision and leadership cost the city all its momentum right before the height of the area's largest construction boom ever. I'm glad she's stepping aside, but whoever comes next will have a lot of work to get the city back on track to serve as the urban policy leader for the rest of the state.

I wish you were wrong, but I think you are spot on.

My preference for those who have announced would be in order from most desired to least.

Jim Dabakis- Most connected to Utah's power structure/people

David Garbett- I like his connection to more urban sustainable development

Stan Penfold- Overall I liked him on the council

David Ibarra- Has solid business experience, but I can't where he is
articulating a vision. He is just relying on his business experience as being enough.

[airhero]

I personally don't want Jim Dabakis to be mayor but he seems like a shoo-in. Almost everyone I've talked to who lives in SLC likes him. I don't understand why. Maybe on a personal level it makes sense.

[stayinginformed]

Originally Posted by Old&New

I read in the Tribune that Christian Harrison is supposed to launch his campaign for Mayor. He would be very good IMO; He’s a very good organizer/orchestrator and has many many connections. He’s also a resident of downtown/pioneer park area and has been the chair of downtown’s community council for at least a decade, if not more.

He may be good, but no one knows who he is outside of the 20-30 people who regularly attend downtown community council meetings.