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Old Posted Mar 14, 2019, 3:01 AM
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City wants 'narratives' in $10M public art buy for Stage 2

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: March 13, 2019


The city’s $10-million public art program for the Stage 2 transit expansion is going international to find artists who can stitch together “narratives” for the rail lines.

Just days after council voted to expand the Confederation Line and Trillium Line last week, the city sent out requests for artists to be pre-qualified on the art procurements for the $4.6-billion rail expansion project.

Julie Dupont, the city’s manager of the public art program, said one of the lessons learned from the Stage 1 LRT public art program was to start the artist search early.

“It gets the artists on board with the design team sooner so it gives them a much better opportunity to integrate art into the overall design,” Dupont said.

Instead of a national call-out like in Stage 1, the city is going worldwide in its search for artists for Stage 2, something Dupont said is a best practice.

The budget for the Stage 2 Confederation Line public art program is $6.36 million, while the art program for the Trillium Line expansion is $750,000. The budgets don’t include sales tax.

According to a city hall policy, the city must put aside one per cent of municipal construction budgets for public art. Studies and land purchases aren’t included in calculation for the one per cent. It only applies to the so-called “hard costs.”

A council-endorsed report in March 2017 outlining the Stage 2 procurement plan said there would be $10 million available for public art. The projected art budget was based on the Stage 2 construction estimate at the time.

Fast-forward two years and the Stage 2 LRT project is $1.2-billion more than what the city estimated before taking construction bids. The city is paying about $2.2 billion for Stage 2, with both upper levels of government together providing about $2.4 billion.

Dupont said the city’s public art budget remains $10 million and to her knowledge it still complies with the one-per-cent policy. The hard costs relate to the city’s contribution to constructing the stations, she said.

(The city paid $7.3 million for various art pieces across the 13-station Stage 1 line. There are 24 new stations being constructed in Stage 2).

Where the Stage 1 art procurement asked for concepts on a station-by-station basis, the Stage 2 art program will group stations together to form “creative narratives” for artists to dream up.

There will be three groups of stations on the LRT extensions and each group will have an artist. In the east, the group of stations will be those being built at Montreal Road, Jeanne d’Arc Boulevard, Orléans Boulevard, Place d’Orléans and Trim Road. In the west, a station group will be Westboro, Dominion, Cleary, New Orchard and Lincoln Fields, and the third station group will be Moodie, Bayshore, Pinecrest, Queensview, Iris and Algonquin College.

The request for qualifications for the Trillium Line only calls for art at three new rail stations — Gladstone, South Keys and Bowesville — and the tender is specific to “digital media artworks.”

“Those were the best locations where we would be able to include public art and we also already have public art in some of the existing stations,” Dupont said.

“Going through all of that and looking at the budget, we decided we would focus on those three stations in particular.”

As for the digital media component, Dupont said it’s a chance to acknowledge Ottawa’s strong ties to the digital media industry through Bayview Yards and post-secondary programs.

Dupont said another lesson learned from Stage 1 was that throwing artists into a massive project was daunting, so for Stage 2 the city is asking artists to include in their proposals technical teams that would help with, for example, engineering or landscape architecture. During Stage 1, some artists had to source their own technical experts on the fly.

“It’s really going to help the project be more efficient with the workflow so they can keep up with the different milestones along the way,” Dupont said.

Dupont said the city is looking for better engagement opportunities with the community and good partnerships with the construction groups building the Confederation Line and Trillium Line extensions. The city wants to celebrate key construction milestones and involve artistic components, like student projects, music and other performances, she said.

The city is planning a special art project for the Byron Avenue/Richmond Road corridor, where a train tunnel will be built using a cut-and-cover technique. Dupont said the city will ask an artist to work with the surrounding community over the course of the design process to reflect residents’ input. The project has a separate $1-million budget.

Another of the initiatives included in the Stage 2 art program is a public art learning series, which kicked off last November. Dupont said there will be more sessions, workshops and keynote speaker events. She hopes artists from Stage 1 and Stage 2 will talk about their experiences developing art for the transit system.

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Old Posted Mar 14, 2019, 4:36 PM
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I'd rather spend $10-million on transit, rather than pretentious crap.
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What happened to the 10% public art policy. Shouldn't we be investing $35 million in public art based on that?

Not that I care. $10 million is more than enough for Stage 2.
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$10M would be better spent double tracking the Walkey overpass on the Trillium line.
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Nervermind, my question. The $10 million is based on the previously estimated billion contribution from the City. And I guess it's 1% not 10%.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2019, 6:25 PM
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I'm listening to the February 27 council meeting and Swail is boasting at how by 2025, with 64 km of track, Ottawa will have a system more expansive then Calgary and Edmonton and comparable to Montreal, Vancouver and Toronto. In truth:
  • Calgary will be one year away from opening the 20 km Green Line, beating us by 16 kilometers (total of 80 km);
  • Toronto will have completed the Eglinton (for a total of 97 km) and probably be building multiple new lines and extensions (Finch, DRL, Eglinton extensions...);
  • Vancouver, already well ahead of us (79.6 km), will be building the Broadway Subway (5.7 km);
  • And Montreal, they'll have blown everyone way out of the park by then with the REM, effectively doubling the systems length to 140 kilometers, and that's before the blue line extension (5.8 km).

Only Edmonton will be lagging behind with 52.9 km by 2026, but there plan includes more service to the central urban areas (surface however).

That's not to say we shouldn't be proud of the progress we've done in only 10-15 years, but cherry picking stats to make us look good isn't productive.
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I also take issue with boasting that we will have the busiest LRT in North America, taking the spot from Boston.

First off, LRT is suppose to be an interim solution for cities where buses don't offer the capacity needed and subways offer to much capacity. Building the busiest LRT in North America day 1 might be an indication that we should have built a heavier system or, in our case with capacities well over any other LRT system*, that what we're building is essentially not LRT. Although there are advantages with LRT vehicles, maybe we should have gone with a light metro rolling stock instead.

As for the Boston comment, the busiest system in North America is Calgary by a landslide. *I'm not convinced we'll beat them after Stage 1.
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I also take issue with boasting that we will have the busiest LRT in North America, taking the spot from Boston.

First off, LRT is suppose to be an interim solution for cities where buses don't offer the capacity needed and subways offer to much capacity. Building the busiest LRT in North America day 1 might be an indication that we should have built a heavier system or, in our case with capacities well over any other LRT system*, that what we're building is essentially not LRT. Although there are advantages with LRT vehicles, maybe we should have gone with a light metro rolling stock instead.

As for the Boston comment, the busiest system in North America is Calgary by a landslide. *I'm not convinced we'll beat them after Stage 1.
The lines between light metro/lrt are pretty blurry. The Confederation Line is light metro imo.

If we compare it with Vancouver's SkyTrain I don't think they would have gone with high floor rolling stock if they started construction this decade.

I think considering the TTCis building line 5 as a "light metro" lrt tells you about the evolution of rapid transit rail technology.
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According to page 12 of the document below, the system can achieve a frequency of "at least" 120 seconds (2 minutes). Np word if lower frequencies would require platform edge doors.

Moodie Yards can accommodate 24 vehicles, expandable to 90 according to page 27. The City is still eyeing the Woodroffe site for a third LMSF in the future. Considering the community opposition the first time around, I don't see how it will be any easier to impose in 10-20 years.

Page 29, status of Stage 2 fleet (as of February 22):

• LRV 35 - fully trucked complete;
• LRV 36 - cars in production and bogies are on site ready for installation;
• LRV 37 - cars are in production (fabrication); and,
• LRV 38 - underframes are being assembled.

https://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uplo...of-Ottawas-Stage-2-LRT-Project_Final.pdf
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I also take issue with boasting that we will have the busiest LRT in North America, taking the spot from Boston.

First off, LRT is suppose to be an interim solution for cities where buses don't offer the capacity needed and subways offer to much capacity. Building the busiest LRT in North America day 1 might be an indication that we should have built a heavier system or, in our case with capacities well over any other LRT system*, that what we're building is essentially not LRT. Although there are advantages with LRT vehicles, maybe we should have gone with a light metro rolling stock instead.

As for the Boston comment, the busiest system in North America is Calgary by a landslide. *I'm not convinced we'll beat them after Stage 1.
They are actually claiming busiest line, not system. We won't be carrying more people than Calgary when it opens, but Line 1 will have higher ridership than either Calgary's Blue or Red lines indivdually
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The lines between light metro/lrt are pretty blurry. The Confederation Line is light metro imo.

If we compare it with Vancouver's SkyTrain I don't think they would have gone with high floor rolling stock if they started construction this decade.

I think considering the TTCis building line 5 as a "light metro" lrt tells you about the evolution of rapid transit rail technology.

It's a clear difference between lrt and light metro. LRT runs with traffic while light metro is fully grade separated. It's for this reason line 1 is a light metro line.
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The lines between light metro/lrt are pretty blurry. The Confederation Line is light metro imo.

If we compare it with Vancouver's SkyTrain I don't think they would have gone with high floor rolling stock if they started construction this decade.
Why not? Montreal is with REM.
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It's a clear difference between lrt and light metro. LRT runs with traffic while light metro is fully grade separated. It's for this reason line 1 is a light metro line.
Ah the great debate rears it's head again. I think the problem is people want nice neat categories, when reality is more complicated than that. Is the confed line an LRT or Light Metro, the answer is "yes".

Even on "full" metros, you get things like Chicago's L that has level crossings, or Cincinnati's red line or the Canada Line that have heavy rail rolling stock yet are only two cars long.

Things like heavy rail vs light rail, or high floor or low floor are unambiguous. But for the system type, it's just shades of gray.
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Ah the great debate rears it's head again. I think the problem is people want nice neat categories, when reality is more complicated than that. Is the confed line an LRT or Light Metro, the answer is "yes".

Even on "full" metros, you get things like Chicago's L that has level crossings, or Cincinnati's red line or the Canada Line that have heavy rail rolling stock yet are only two cars long.

Things like heavy rail vs light rail, or high floor or low floor are unambiguous. But for the system type, it's just shades of gray.
Good, glad I'm not the only person who found it hard to find solid definitions for the different types of transit
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They are actually claiming busiest line, not system. We won't be carrying more people than Calgary when it opens, but Line 1 will have higher ridership than either Calgary's Blue or Red lines indivdually
Everytime I hear Manconi, or other City staff, make that claim, they say "busiest LRT". They never seem to specify "system" or "line".
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Ah the great debate rears it's head again. I think the problem is people want nice neat categories, when reality is more complicated than that. Is the confed line an LRT or Light Metro, the answer is "yes".

Even on "full" metros, you get things like Chicago's L that has level crossings, or Cincinnati's red line or the Canada Line that have heavy rail rolling stock yet are only two cars long.

Things like heavy rail vs light rail, or high floor or low floor are unambiguous. But for the system type, it's just shades of gray.
there is no debate, check confederation line on wikepedia like I did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_Line

there I made it easy for you
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Ah the great debate rears it's head again. I think the problem is people want nice neat categories, when reality is more complicated than that. Is the confed line an LRT or Light Metro, the answer is "yes".

Even on "full" metros, you get things like Chicago's L that has level crossings, or Cincinnati's red line or the Canada Line that have heavy rail rolling stock yet are only two cars long.

Things like heavy rail vs light rail, or high floor or low floor are unambiguous. But for the system type, it's just shades of gray.
The closest thing they have to rapid transit is an abandoned subway that was never completed.
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The closest thing they have to rapid transit is an abandoned subway that was never completed.
Cleveland, Cincinnati, both old rust belt cities in Ohio that start with a C, easy mistake
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Sounds like the provincial money is coming tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/status/1108822159290437632
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