Speech pattern and typographical variations across Canada

[FrAnKs]

Originally Posted by lio45

I know you're joking, but å is actually a great way to represent a traditional Montreal-accented 'a'.

i.e.
French French: "Donne-moi ça!"
Québécois: "Donne-moé çå!"

Je me trompes où on observe une disparition graduelle du ''Moé - toé''... et autre mots du genre, avec les nouvelles générations? J'ai l'impression que c'était plus prononcé chez les baby-boomers.

[Pinus]

I'm quite honoUred to have this as my first thread.

To whom do I cut the cheQUE for doing this on my behalf?

[Pinus]

In terms of the Quebecois being taught American English, I wonder if that is more politically motivated more than anything else, as a kind of protest to English Canada as a whole? I went to French Immersion school in Manitoba, and we were taught Canadian English in our English classes.

[FrAnKs]

Originally Posted by Pinus

I wonder if that is more politically motivated more than anything else

Ridiculous.

I think it's because American English has alot of influence worldwide, and by a funny coincidence, we're next to them and their population is over 300 million. What do you think of that ?

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by FrAnKs

Ridiculous.

I think it's because American English has alot of influence worldwide, and by a funny coincidence, we're next to them and their population is over 300 million. What do you think of that ?

You're right. Pinus has clearly done no research on these topics and is just spreading a lot of misinformation/outright lies that has floated around for ages. In terms of actual number of "users" American English is the world standard so it makes perfect sense that Quebec schools would teach American spelling and I presume grammar like everywhere else. These posts should have stayed in the political forum because "Canadian" spelling is 100% political.

[FrAnKs]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

You're right. Pinus has clearly done no research on these topics and is just spreading a lot of misinformation/outright lies that has floated around for ages. In terms of actual number of "users" American English is the world standard so it makes perfect sense that Quebec schools would teach American spelling and I presume grammar like everywhere else. These posts should have stayed in the political forum because "Canadian" spelling is 100% political.

A little Later, I've also learned the Canadian version of most words that I knew from American English. And I mean, it's like not there are over 1000 different words spelling between those two ...so it's pretty easy to update yourself!
I still continue to use the American version, just because I'm use to it

In French, ''Parisian French'' is the reference for the entire French world for some reasons, including Québec. However, in informal speech, there are some variations between France and Québec.

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by FrAnKs

Ridiculous.

I think it's because American English has alot of influence worldwide, and by a funny coincidence, we're next to them and their population is over 300 million. What do you think of that ?

It wasn't a swipe at Quebec. I was asking because I couldn't think of another reason why that province would purposefully disregard the teaching of Canadian English in it's educational currriculum in comparison to all other provinces.

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

You're right. Pinus has clearly done no research on these topics and is just spreading a lot of misinformation/outright lies that has floated around for ages. In terms of actual number of "users" American English is the world standard so it makes perfect sense that Quebec schools would teach American spelling and I presume grammar like everywhere else. These posts should have stayed in the political forum because "Canadian" spelling is 100% political.

"Everywhere else?" Define "everywhere else" within Canada.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The signs outside Costcos in Quebec all say "COSTCO WHOLESALE":

https://www.google.com/maps/@46.8405644,...ro3JFyzmNcn2z-djmxMBA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I believe Starbucks says CAFÉ STARBUCKS but not sure if that's a corporate choice or government imposition. Probably the former as Payless Shoe Source is still Payless Shoe Source here.

Originally, Signs on Starbucks in Quebec read "CAFÉ STARBUCKS COFFEE" but later they were changed to just "CAFÉ STARBUCKS" by the company itself. I remember reading that it was done because the bilingual name just didn't look right and that "café" works in both French and English anyway. I think that the company made a good move.

Here is a location in Laval attached to an Indigo store where you can see where "coffee" used to be. You can use the thing to see the view a few years before when "coffee" was there:
https://goo.gl/maps/5UxA1gzNnL62

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Pinus

"Everywhere else?" Define "everywhere else" within Canada.

Please do some research.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by The Chemist

Major is never spelled with a u

BTW... Where's the logic in that??

How on Earth can anyone justify that words that all entered English from (Middle/Norman) French and which all have the exact same ending (couleur, majeur, honneur, faveur...) would produce anything but the same ending after their migration (i.e. color, major, honor, favor...) ?

American English is more logical there.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Pinus

It wasn't a swipe at Quebec. I was asking because I couldn't think of another reason why that province would purposefully disregard the teaching of Canadian English in it's educational currriculum in comparison to all other provinces.

Pretty sure Quebec "theoretically" teaches Canadian English. It's just that no one ever becomes fluently bilingual due to school-level classes. The ones who do, usually do due to being - later in life - exposed to our English-speaking neighbors and/or the global lingua franca of business and science.

I don't mean this as an insult, but I didn't learn the language of Manitoba; I learned the language of global business because I knew it was going to be useful (and it turned out to be). It happens that it also would allow me to be understood in Manitoba, if I ever set foot there for some reason.

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

Please do some research.

I do not need to research how schools across Canada teach Canadian English to students. I believe you are the one who needs to do a bit of research to become more well versed in your own country's language. Or is this just an Alberta Arrogance thing?

[VANRIDERFAN]

In Commonwealth militaries Lieutenant is pronounced “lefttenaunt”, Americans pronounce it as”Lootenaunt”.
I think I read that our way came from the French. Americans are just lazy fuckers! (I say this with all due respect to our southern overlords!)

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by lio45

Pretty sure Quebec "theoretically" teaches Canadian English. It's just that no one ever becomes fluently bilingual due to school-level classes. The ones who do, usually do due to being - later in life - exposed to our English-speaking neighbors and/or the global lingua franca of business and science.

I don't mean this as an insult, but I didn't learn the language of Manitoba; I learned the language of global business because I knew it was going to be useful (and it turned out to be). It happens that it also would allow me to be understood in Manitoba, if I ever set foot there for some reason.

HEY! Why the drive by smear of the Keystone Province!

[Oyster Ditch]

Canada legislates French/English bilingualism. It also legislates “diversity and inclusion”. However, the French language excludes and oppresses non-binary gendered people because words have to be either masculine or feminine.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by lio45

BTW... Where's the logic in that??

How on Earth can anyone justify that words that all entered English from (Middle/Norman) French and which all have the exact same ending (couleur, majeur, honneur, faveur...) would produce anything but the same ending after their migration (i.e. color, major, honor, favor...) ?

American English is more logical there.

What's your point? Has anyone argued that the simplified spellings used in the USA are not more logical? That is why they were created. It has nothing to do with whether we use them in Canada.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Oyster Ditch

Canada legislates French/English bilingualism. It also legislates “diversity and inclusion”. However, the French language excludes and oppresses non-binary gendered people because words have to be either masculine or feminine.

Good thing that this thread is about Canadian English ...

[SignalHillHiker]

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

In Commonwealth militaries Lieutenant is pronounced “lefttenaunt”, Americans pronounce it as”Lootenaunt”.
I think I read that our way came from the French. Americans are just lazy fuckers! (I say this with all due respect to our southern overlords!)

I somehow missed that and I'm not sure how. I guess the word just didn't come up until I was already well exposed to American television? I never say "leff" naturally, always "loo" - but everyone else here seems to use "leff". It only really comes up in reference to the Lieutenant Governor.

[acottawa]

Who keeps moving the Canadian English posts around?