CHICAGO | Highrise Projects & Construction, v7

[west-town-brad]

Originally Posted by mcdj

I think glowrock has no clue who I am or what my race is or what my background is, and I think calling me racist for not wanting to live next to a transit hub, and not wanting the associated issues is foolish.

I lived in NYC for 30 years. I rode the trains regularly. I equated NYC transit not with crime or poverty. I equated it with getting around town. Ok, and crowds.

Chicago transit is a very different animal. There’s more transit crime. Period. Dot. There’s more every kind of crime for that matter.

Correct, we can not deduce the exact volume of crime at Roosevelt because the CTA doesn’t want us to know those stats. Gee, I wonder why? But I did read 400 reported robberies at that station from 2009-2011. Even half of that, if crime has magically come down 50% since then, is too much, too close to my home, for me to feel hunky dory about a hub outside my door.

Never mind though, I’ll play along with the mental gymnastics seemingly required here to assume that the proposed hub will be squeaky clean! Yay for more shiny condos for the 1%!

does "transit crime" mean iphones grabbed from the hands of the clueless? god help us!

[skysoar]

Originally Posted by marothisu

My point about Manhattan has to do with uniqueness. At the end of the day, you want your place to be unique. There's pluses and minuses about Manhattan and my point didn't have to do with those specifically. Though if you want me to go into how having alleyways is a good thing, then yes. Anyway, I was going more about being unique.

I agree with you, downtown Chicago like Manhattan, are both huge and have great skyscraper canyons, as well as other things in common. But the uniqueness of Chicago is that it is a Mecca for people who enjoy outdoor activities and events that are drawn toward the gravitational pull of the lakefront area and the Chicago River. Within the lakefront area there is world class museums, parks, beaches, zoo, Navy Pier, boat riding tours, etc, all centralized within a five mile corridor. Its not that Manhattan or other cities do not have these entities , but I have travelled all over this country and I have not seen it displayed to the degree Chicago has. Whomever the forefathers of Chicago were they had great insight.

[PKDickman]

Originally Posted by harryc

March 10

Ready for the next phase

IIRC the plan is for this entire lot to be filled with townhomes and lowrises.

12 townhomes and a mid-rise.

[jpdivola]

I'm not sure how much NYC is a source of inspiration to Chicago at this point. It's most highly regarded areas are generally composed of mostly prewar architecture that is basically impossible to replicate. Toronto is a more comparable model that provides some realistic pointers for new development. 1) Get rid of parking podiums and 2) preserve and seek to integrate historic architecture.

I would be nice to see South Loop and the high rise portions of West Loop look like this in 10 years:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6515...8i8192!5m1!1e4

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6457...8i8192!5m1!1e4

[LouisVanDerWright]

^^^ No thanks, other than the total lack of empty lots, the West Loop is already nicer than that. The highrise designs in those scenes are all atrocious balcony blobs...

[jpdivola]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

^^^ No thanks, other than the total lack of empty lots, the West Loop is already nicer than that. The highrise designs in those scenes are all atrocious balcony blobs...

Eh..we can disagree with the particulars on specific blocks. But, I still say 1) ban podiums and 2) protect historic architecture.

[Mr Downtown]

Originally Posted by mcdj

we can not deduce the exact volume of crime at Roosevelt

The city's data portal allows us to deduce pretty precisely the exact volume, and I recently had occasion to map all the index* (violent) crimes of 2018 (blue squares) and all the homicides (larger red squares):



I guess I don't see much of a cluster at the Roosevelt station.

Police reports nearly always use a street address, which CPD geocodes to the middle of the street. What looks like a whole row of crimes on the Roosevelt subway platform turns out to include theft from the State Place parking garage, theft from the Walgreens, and a couple of other things that don't have much to do with the CTA station.

*Index crimes are the eight crimes the FBI combines to produce its annual crime index. These offenses include willful homicide, forcible rape, robbery, burglary, aggravated assault, larceny over $50, motor vehicle theft, and arson.

[nocturne]

Originally Posted by k1052

It has never been sufficiently explained to me how trying to choke off the housing production pipeline could ever benefit anybody but the wealthy.

That's exactly what happens. See New York/California for examples

[emathias]

Roosevelt is also one of the busiest stations, which distorts the crime stats. It's similar how crime rate stats for the Loop are distorted because something like 30 times as many people visit the Loop daily than live there, so the ratio of residents to crimes doesn't account for that.

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown

The city's data portal allows us to deduce pretty precisely the exact volume, and I recently had occasion to map all the index* (violent) crimes of 2018 (blue squares) and all the homicides (larger red squares):



I guess I don't see much of a cluster at the Roosevelt station.

Police reports nearly always use a street address, which CPD geocodes to the middle of the street. What looks like a whole row of crimes on the Roosevelt subway platform turns out to include theft from the State Place parking garage, theft from the Walgreens, and a couple of other things that don't have much to do with the CTA station.

*Index crimes are the eight crimes the FBI combines to produce its annual crime index. These offenses include willful homicide, forcible rape, robbery, burglary, aggravated assault, larceny over $50, motor vehicle theft, and arson.

But I do see a cluster of crime right around mcdj's condo so that can only mean one thing! Mcdj is the infamous South Loop Transit Criminal posting here to throw us off his trail!

Mcdj? Is that short for "meniachal criminal dodging justice?"

Case closed boys, let's take him downtown!

[harryc]

March 10

[LouisVanDerWright]

^^^ If only the West Loop could look like Toronto!

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by skysoar

I agree with you, downtown Chicago like Manhattan, are both huge and have great skyscraper canyons, as well as other things in common. But the uniqueness of Chicago is that it is a Mecca for people who enjoy outdoor activities and events that are drawn toward the gravitational pull of the lakefront area and the Chicago River. Within the lakefront area there is world class museums, parks, beaches, zoo, Navy Pier, boat riding tours, etc, all centralized within a five mile corridor. Its not that Manhattan or other cities do not have these entities , but I have travelled all over this country and I have not seen it displayed to the degree Chicago has. Whomever the forefathers of Chicago were they had great insight.

Agree. And after having lived in NYC for awhile, after Chicago, I still long for these things about Chicago which is why I love Chicago. What Chicago has is good, especially along the lakefront and it should continue that. Having a bunch of vacant land is sad - good thing that part has come a long way but the South Loop especially in some parts has a ways to go. The good thing about it is that with some open land to play with, the potential is still off the charts.

[rgolch]

So, does the One Central project deserve it’s own thread? Or is it too early and too pie in the sky?

[feynman]

Originally Posted by rgolch

So, does the One Central project deserve it’s own thread? Or is it too early and too pie in the sky?

Not that I have any authority, but way too soon. Viewing the thread will be a perpetual source of irritation like visiting the former Spire or Old Post Office threads. Just a lot of people saying "Any update on this?"

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by feynman

Not that I have any authority, but way too soon. Viewing the thread will be a perpetual source of irritation like visiting the former Spire or Old Post Office threads. Just a lot of people saying "Any update on this?"

I know what you're saying, but evoking the Old Post Office in 2019 is not a good analogy considering they're over 2 years into renovation now and have inked a handful of large office leases for it. It's very much an alive project.

[feynman]

Originally Posted by marothisu

I know what you're saying, but evoking the Old Post Office in 2019 is not a good analogy considering they're over 2 years into renovation now and have inked a handful of large office leases for it. It's very much an alive project.

Yeah, I'll concede that. But I'm an on-again, off-again lurker and once upon a time, that thread was the worst.

[Busy Bee]

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Is One Chicago under construction yet? Can I get an update?

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

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Is One Chicago under construction yet? Can I get an update?

Site prep. One person with what seems to be insider knowledge says the actual construction should start mid to late April. There is a dedicated thread for OCS with this info.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

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Is One Chicago under construction yet? Can I get an update?

your registration date says Feb. 2006.

13 years later and you still don't know how this place works?



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