Transit Fantasies

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by waves

Note that the North Shore Area Transit Plan specified "rapid transit" and not a BLine. Also note the new 240 alignment below. There is no logic in putting a BLine from Downtown to the Quay to Lynn Valley because no one will travel past the Quay! It is physically impossible for a bus to go from the Quay to Downtown faster than the seabus. Also, anyone in the densified core of 14th and Lonsdale or in Lynn Valley will take the 240 rather than detour 10min to the Quay.

If a new BLine goes in, replacing the 240 with a BLine is the most logical.

What other 'Rapid transit' other than a B-line (or express bus, which in the streets of North Van, would act like a B-line anyways.)

The line over the Lions Gate might be for West Van- Downtown commuters, and the expectation is that Lynn Valley commuters get off at Lonsdale.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

That detour could work, if planners are willing to forgo TOD.

Lemme try to explain again. The problem with ignoring West Newton and Sullivan is that they're eventually going to turn into 'plexes and townhomes. Ideally, you want the train (relatively) acessible so you can integrate transit with development and reduce car usage.

Commuter Rail is not intended for what you're looking for, which would be more B-lines/Skytrain.

Note that the Evergreen extension or the Coquitlam-Maple Ridge B-line does not invalidate the WCE, as the WCE is designed for long-distance transfers.

My point is that commuter Rail in South Delta makes more sense because it's effectively a disconnected 'island', and everyone has to travel long distances to get anywhere they want. This should thus be the first priority over tram/Skytrain to connect to South Delta. Trams have to be electrified, in general cost more per km, and cannot integrate with freight rail in cases of low demand.

Panorama Ridge/Sullivan and Cloverdale can have their Skytrain once the demand justifies it. It's not like there's a shortage of potential TOD area on the KGH/104th/Fraser corridors.

Sixteen minutes then, not fourteen. If it was going somewhere really far like Langley or Coq I'd say go for it, but Steveston? Stay on the Canada and ride it there.

With two minutes max, that's eight peak and sixteen off-peak. Sure, ridership for the airport is scattered, but that's going to change over the next few decades - especially with 4-6 trains an hour!

If it was integrated with a wider commuter Rail system, like Lander-Richmond-New West, would it be worth it?

Ok, I get your point though. I'll probably leave it as a future 'reserved corridor', at least.

I know that's a problem- short-term it's not a big deal, long-term, the Canada Line should have a parallel built (2060s-2070s range) in order to compensate for the shortcomings the line was built with, which the Canada can hand over the Canada's spur to.