YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 706

thenoflyzone · #**14101** Posted **Mar 2, 2019, 1:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

PP98-99 - possible new routes identified: YVR-YHZ, YVR-IAD and YVR-MCO

trofirhen and zahav wont be happy. All three of those are already served by other carriers.

Must be the goverment's fault.

Johnny Aussie · #**14102** Posted **Mar 2, 2019, 11:23 PM**

The Investor Day presentation does open up the possibilities...

Looking at the Transborder O&D figures (again) every single YVR route > 30,000 passengers increased between 2014-2016 and in some cases substantially. In fact you have to go all the way down to BUF-YVR to find a route that decreased between 2014 and 2016.

The exact opposite happened for YYC and YEG routes. Except for YYC-SEA, YYC-BOS and YYC-PDX... every other single route > 30,000 pax decreased.

Since 2016, YVR Transborder ops have increased almost another 1,000,000. Obviously some of that would be connecting traffic but some of that would be O&D market growth.

With the economics of the A220 ("unparalleled operating economics") certainly some new routes will pop up. Another game changer plane for NA ops. Just like the Dreamliner has been for long-haul ops for AC at YVR.
Based on the numbers I would say AC will start YVR to IAD, MCO, IAH and MIA/FLL (either one) would most likely get the nod. Some of these have been identified as possible routes in the Investor Day 2019 presentation already. I could also see some current routes such as ORD and DFW switched to mainline 220s. Once you start going further down the list things still get a bit more iffy. No we won't be seeing nonstop flights to Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Omaha or Austin (yet).

This is based on market numbers and not just a whine for more routes based on some sort of inferiority complex.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/170816/dq170816b-cansim-eng.htm

trofirhen · #**14103** Posted **Mar 3, 2019, 12:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

This is probably the only airport thread where a long haul route is announced and it brings out the negative nellies..........

I'm not a negative nellie. I know YVR is booming. ... I just want more...

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

trofirhen and zahav wont be happy. All three of those are already served by other carriers.
Must be the goverment's fault.

It isn't YVR's fault that TK (for example) can't land here. So whose fault is it? All I want - like ZAHAV - is some new airlines: "fresh blood" and new destinations.

zahav · #**14104** Posted **Mar 3, 2019, 9:08 PM**

I know I sound negative and maybe I am a bit, that's why I owned up to it and said I sound like a spoiled brat. I too am thrilled that the airport has done so well, new routes and beefed up service is always always welcome. But as I said, I'm jealous that all of our additions are existing routes, and nothing new. Compared to YYZ and YUL especially, and my worry is there's less opportunities for new destinations at this point. I'm sure we will get increases, but I feel like they will be same old.

As for the new AC routes from the Investors Day, I would actually be really happy with the new domestic and transborder additions, it isn't the same for some reason as new international long haul. Right now IAD is once weekly seasonal so I'm sure if AC came in, it would be much more substantial, and welcomed. Same with possible year-round BOS. Orlando is alright but ya not earth shattering at all, I believe they might be the US destination with the most unique routes to Canadian cities (up there with Vegas) so it's not exciting.

The YHZ additional would be excellent, it is such a glaring piece missing from AC's YVR network at present. I feel like it would greatly stimulate more connections between East and West coasts, as there is lots of ties and commonalities actually, but the distance and lack of direct service hinders more cross-inrteraction (almost all of my friends are from NS so I see a lot of the cross-country dynamics and know a proper non-stop flight on AC would do wonders. The existing WS red-eye in summer isn't my cup of tea, but I know some people like red eyes.

We just really really need at least 1 SA destination (Lima?) and another Asian destination (I'd even be happy with MNL even though it still proves my opinion on taking on existing routes lol)

Gordon · #**14105** Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 4:40 AM**

I wonder if any of the the new D pier gates will be trip;e headed briges for the A 380( 3rd bridge attaches up to the upper deck.)

Hourglass · #**14106** Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 5:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

I wonder if any of the the new D pier gates will be trip;e headed briges for the A 380( 3rd bridge attaches up to the upper deck.)

I'm guessing probably not, since Airbus is halting production of the A380. So few airlines use it on their Vancouver routes it doesn't seem like it would be worth the investment.

Johnny Aussie · #**14107** Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 5:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hourglass

I'm guessing probably not, since Airbus is halting production of the A380. So few airlines use it on their Vancouver routes it doesn't seem like it would be worth the investment.

Only BA uses it to YVR and only for 6 months of the year. With other airlines very unlikely to fly them here, A380 days are numbered. In the short term maybe one is under construction but definitely not required.

Gordon · #**14108** Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 3:24 PM**

I think YVR should convert all D Pier gates that are used for international flights to dual headed bridges( gatse 53 54 66 & 67)

casper · #**14109** Posted **Mar 6, 2019, 7:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

I think YVR should convert all D Pier gates that are used for international flights to dual headed bridges( gatse 53 54 66 & 67)

They do have a few international flights that go out on single aisle aircraft. Mostly Mexico and Iceland.

Gordon · #**14110** Posted **Mar 6, 2019, 8:54 PM**

They can still move one of the bridges out of the way for single aisle planes

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thenoflyzone · #**14112** Posted **Mar 6, 2019, 11:06 PM**

Largest unserved Canadian routes to some of the main Asian hubs:

rolling 12 months O&D numbers

PEK-YOW 25,850 (13th largest unserved route from PEK)
YUL-HKG 34,782 (10th largest unserved market from HKG)
YYC-HKG 41,814 (5th largest unserved market from HKG)
SIN-YVR 39,790 (5th largest unserved market from SIN)
SIN-YYZ 40,841 (4th largest unserve market from SIN)
ICN-YYC 34,950 (12th largest unserved market from ICN)
BKK-YVR 59,820 (14th largest unserved market from BKK)
DEL-YYC 55,154 (9th largest unserved market from DEL)
DEL-YEG 42,050 (14th largest unserved market from DEL)

https://www.anna.aero/2019/03/06/100-routes-asias-top-10-airports-non-stop-service/

Of note, YYZ-SIN is slightly larger. Also BKK-North America is massively underserved. BKK-LAX/SFO/JFK/ORD are all larger than BKK-YVR, with no non-stop.

nname · #**14113** Posted **Mar 6, 2019, 11:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Largest unserved Canadian routes to some of the main Asian hubs:

rolling 12 months O&D numbers

PEK-YOW 25,850 (13th largest unserved route from PEK)
YUL-HKG 34,782 (10th largest unserved market from HKG)
YYC-HKG 41,814 (5th largest unserved market from HKG)
SIN-YVR 39,790 (5th largest unserved market from SIN)
SIN-YYZ 40,841 (4th largest unserve market from SIN)
ICN-YYC 34,950 (12th largest unserved market from ICN)
BKK-YVR 59,820 (14th largest unserved market from BKK)
DEL-YYC 55,154 (9th largest unserved market from DEL)
DEL-YEG 42,050 (14th largest unserved market from DEL)

https://www.anna.aero/2019/03/06/100-routes-asias-top-10-airports-non-stop-service/

Of note, YYZ-SIN is slightly larger. Also BKK-North America is massively underserved. BKK-LAX/SFO/JFK/ORD are all larger than BKK-YVR, with no non-stop.

Obviously there's no way AC could run non-stop YYZ-SIN... but if they do YYZ-YVR-SIN similar to SYD, does that means it will serve the O&D market of 80,000?

That sure is enough demand to fill a plane at 3 or 4 flights per week. But whether they can compete with Asian carriers and still have high enough yield is another story...

nname · #**14114** Posted **Mar 7, 2019, 12:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

They do have a few international flights that go out on single aisle aircraft. Mostly Mexico and Iceland.

Speaking of Mexico.... AM further increase summer service YVR-MEX to 17x weekly June to Aug (from 16x weekly). Additional flights on Thursday.

Interjet still keep 4x weekly so far, but that may change. 4O had recently increase YUL-MEX to daily, and YYZ-MEX will also be daily starting August.

mezzanine · #**14115** Posted **Mar 7, 2019, 1:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Obviously there's no way AC could run non-stop YYZ-SIN... but if they do YYZ-YVR-SIN similar to SYD, does that means it will serve the O&D market of 80,000?

That sure is enough demand to fill a plane at 3 or 4 flights per week. But whether they can compete with Asian carriers and still have high enough yield is another story...

I hope AC develops its east coast USA/ SE Asia/Oceania bank further. It's a niche that would lend itself to further synergy. the EWR flight could be banked with other US east coast destinations (year-round BOS, new IAD, even MIA would dovetail with it, and DCA eventually if a slot opens up and AC makes its bones in IAD. It would bank with AC flights to MEL, SYD, AUK, DEL with destinations like SIN. Even MNL if AC wants it seems more viable. BKK, KUL and CGK are also huge - I wonder how much premium market/yield there is. SGN likely won't grow as much for now due to visa requirements for Americans/Canadians.

Canadian74 · #**14116** Posted **Mar 7, 2019, 3:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

DEL-YYC 55,154 (9th largest unserved market from DEL)
DEL-YEG 42,050 (14th largest unserved market from DEL)

Almost 100k between the 2..... i wonder if there's a market for seasonal 3 weekly 787 YYC-DEL. AC won't do it, they'll want you to fly YYC-YVR-DEL.
J class might be difficult anyways

How large was YVR-DEL when it was launched?

trofirhen · #**14117** Posted **Mar 7, 2019, 6:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

DEL-YYC 55,154 (9th largest unserved market from DEL)
DEL-YEG 42,050 (14th largest unserved market from DEL)

Repeating the statistics from above, with these numbers, would not a YYC-YEG-DEL be feasible? That way people would be able to stay on the same plane without changing at YVR.
.........plus, the numbers seem to be there.

nname · #**14118** Posted **Mar 7, 2019, 10:47 AM**

Seems like Hong Kong Airlines is further reducing operation. Starting Sept 9th, service for YVR-HKG will be reduced to 3x weekly on days 136 for YVR departures.

Pretty much all of their long-hual routes will see significant cut, most likely due to their fleet reduction

thebus · #**14119** Posted **Mar 7, 2019, 6:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Repeating the statistics from above, with these numbers, would not a YYC-YEG-DEL be feasible? That way people would be able to stay on the same plane without changing at YVR.
.........plus, the numbers seem to be there.

I imagine YVR-DEL draws quite a few passengers from both YEG and YYC so in the end it might impact YVR-DEL more than AC would like. Good chance that many Europe bound passengers from YEG and YYC are headed to India too, thus would erode some of those connections away and potentially impact the viability of those flights.

casper · #**14120** Posted **Mar 8, 2019, 12:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Obviously there's no way AC could run non-stop YYZ-SIN... but if they do YYZ-YVR-SIN similar to SYD, does that means it will serve the O&D market of 80,000?

That sure is enough demand to fill a plane at 3 or 4 flights per week. But whether they can compete with Asian carriers and still have high enough yield is another story...

When AC last served SIN, I believe it was YVR-LHR-DEL-SIN may have started in Toronto. I don't think those case will be coming back.