Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

There is absolutely no justification to muzzle the press. Otherwise, we are left with just rumours. We are finally receiving honest information that allows us to access what is reasonable for a start-up date. Are we content with just receiving RTG's comments on the March 31 deadline?

If we are unhappy with the 'negative' news from the press, our City Councilors should be more forthright with their constituents and provide a more balanced picture. At least my councilor, Diane Deans, is asking questions on behalf of the public. What about the rest?

Don't take my ranting for calling for a muzzling of the press. I just dislike having to parse out what's happening between one group saying everything is peachy and the other saying the sky is falling

[AuxTown]

They alluded to it on the radio today and I don't think it can be over-emphasized that a single train being tested in terrible Winter weather is very different then the full fleet running all day on the track. Having frequent trains makes a big different in terms of snow/ice buildup on the individual vehicles.

If you want a service that works for all shift workers it would have to run 24/7. That is an enormous cost for a very small number of users.

I was just responding to the post that suggested that no one should be out looking for transit at 7am on a Sunday. As cities grow they get busier and busier on the weekend, increasing demand for transit access.

[bikegypsy]

Originally Posted by acottawa

What are people doing at 5 am on Sunday? Stores don’t open until 11, if people are going to a religious those seem to be mid morning.

I used to work in downtown restaurants and weekends were just brutal. Summers meant clocking in at 5:30 am on both Saturdays and Sundays. In several restaurants that I worked, we were packed by 8:30.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by bikegypsy

I used to work in downtown restaurants and weekends were just brutal. Summers meant clocking in at 5:30 am on both Saturdays and Sundays. In several restaurants that I worked, we were packed by 8:30.

and low income workers have to there to serve the customers.

In some respects, this city seems to think it is still 1960.

Yet, in the 1940s and 1950s, streetcars ran until 2 a.m. every day. It just shows you how car dependent we have become. If you work outside of commuting hours, you need a car, even if you are low income.

[Ottawaresident]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

and low income workers have to there to serve the customers.

In some respects, this city seems to think it is still 1960.

Yet, in the 1940s and 1950s, streetcars ran until 2 a.m. every day. It just shows you how car dependent we have become. If you work outside of commuting hours, you need a car, even if you are low income.

And commuting hour service is worsening. If anything streetcars with traffic light priorities should be run down Bank, Albert, King Edward, Laurier, Wellington, Bronson, Elgin, Sussex and St Patrick,

Of course, in this car infested city density isn't enough for even half those lines ... If only condo prices in downtown are less.

[Lakeofthewood]

Originally Posted by daud

Agreed...I'm 100% content with the press identifying issues. RTG or the city can feel free to clarify anything they write...but...surprise surprise, they will likely stay silent. I think the CBC is doing a good job of uncovering information that is not filtering to the public eye. They might sensationalize things-thats debatable but, RTG can prove them wrong by completing this project.

I fully hope the optimists (or realists) on this board are correct but I just have this feeling its Vimy bridge and Airport pedestrian bridge all over again.

And frankly, the look on Hubly's face when asked when the trains will be ready is much more in line with the CBC article than anything else I've heard. His response was, they will run when they are safe to run.

This is the biggest problem I have with the way CBC has been reporting on the LRT. For the general public, that doesn't follow every single update on the LRT, big articles like this are all the information they get.

Case in point, all my friends (who don't follow daily) are talking about this article and how terrible the system is going to be and why would anyone ride it? Granted that is just one anecdote, but in reading twitter and reddit comments there seems to be a similar sentiment. Sensationalizing the bad while not reporting the good is not going to help encourage people to ride the train when it is complete.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Lakeofthewood

This is the biggest problem I have with the way CBC has been reporting on the LRT. For the general public, that doesn't follow every single update on the LRT, big articles like this are all the information they get.

Case in point, all my friends (who don't follow daily) are talking about this article and how terrible the system is going to be and why would anyone ride it? Granted that is just one anecdote, but in reading twitter and reddit comments there seems to be a similar sentiment. Sensationalizing the bad while not reporting the good is not going to help encourage people to ride the train when it is complete.

I really wouldn't worry about this. Once it is in operation, people will be forced to ride it with transfers. And once they are riding it, word (good/bad) will spread based on that experience. I expect it to do quite well when up and running. When it gets up and up and running is the real question....

[Truenorth00]

From that CBC article:

Morgan said he is "confident" the LRT will be finished in this calendar year and that RTG is "getting very close."

We've gone from Winter 2019 to "end of the calendar year" in just a few weeks.

Manconi and Morgan need to be fired. They clearly aren't being honest with Council and/or exercising due diligence in their dealings with RTG.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

From that CBC article:



We've gone from Winter 2019 to "end of the calendar year" in just a few weeks.

Manconi and Morgan need to be fired. They clearly aren't being honest with Council and/or exercising due diligence in their dealings with RTG.

Hold on tight to the tilt-a-whirl:

Global News: Transit commission chair says good news about Ottawa’s LRT on the way.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5019796/oc-transpo-ottawa-lrt-construction/

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by bikegypsy

I used to work in downtown restaurants and weekends were just brutal. Summers meant clocking in at 5:30 am on both Saturdays and Sundays. In several restaurants that I worked, we were packed by 8:30.

What downtown restaurants open at 6am on Sunday morning?

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by acottawa

What downtown restaurants open at 6am on Sunday morning?

Zacks diner is open 24hrs

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by OtrainUser

Zacks diner is open 24hrs

Elgin street diner as well, a bunch of tim hortons, staff for hotels, etc

[acottawa]

Those are 24 hour operations.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Those are 24 hour operations.

Ah, misunderstanding. I know Bridgehead opens at 6:30 on a Sunday, as do some other coffee shops.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Those are 24 hour operations.

well you did ask and those are the answers

24 hr businesses still count

McDonald's opens their seating area 530am every morning

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by OtrainUser

well you did ask and those are the answers

24 hr businesses still count

24 hour operations can change shifts any time they want. As I said in an earlier post, running a full transit service 24 hours would be extremely expensive and get little ridership and could make maintence difficult. Bikegypsy’s post seemed to suggest he worked at restaurants that opened really early on Sunday morning, and I was curious what restaurants have those hours. Most downtown coffee shops don’t even open until 8 on Sunday.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by acottawa

24 hour operations can change shifts any time they want. As I said in an earlier post, running a full transit service 24 hours would be extremely expensive and get little ridership and could make maintence difficult. Bikegypsy’s post seemed to suggest he worked at restaurants that opened really early on Sunday morning, and I was curious what restaurants have those hours. Most downtown coffee shops don’t even open until 8 on Sunday.

true but I also use the early morning service 95 to get to some of my shifts that start at either 5am 6am ot 7am at trainyards. Right now I say the current service is fine

[kmcamp]

So I'm adding to my prediction: I still say stage 1 will open in May. However I also predict council will vote down stage 2, the federal election will cause the funding to dry up, and it will be at least a decade before more rail is built.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Hold on tight to the tilt-a-whirl:

Global News: Transit commission chair says good news about Ottawa’s LRT on the way.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5019796/oc-transpo-ottawa-lrt-construction/

Good news? And he's basing that on what? City staff's update? RTG's update? They've all been wrong (or lying) for the past year.+ Why should we believe in the "good news" now?

Funny how the City and RTG blamed the Rideau sinkhole for the first 8 months delay and now we're learning we're having issues with trains.

EDIT: FEDCO might be sharing "positive news" just for show in order to try and sway the skeptical councilors into voting in favour of Stage 2. All about controlling the message to manipulate the results. As soon as Stage 2 is rubber stamped, the bad news on Stage 1 will be flowing freely once again.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

So I'm adding to my prediction: I still say stage 1 will open in May. However I also predict council will vote down stage 2, the federal election will cause the funding to dry up, and it will be at least a decade before more rail is built.

Sadly, you might be right on Stage 2.