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If both spouses are working downtown and want to live in the suburbs, Orleans is vastly more logical than Barrhaven. Orleans is closer to downtown, has better transit to downtown, and houses are a lot cheaper.
Even though it's in Ontario and a clear majority is anglophone (and almost all francophones are bilingual and tend to use English when out and about) it's still too "French" some people.

Being (half) sarcastic here.
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If both spouses are working downtown and want to live in the suburbs, Orleans is vastly more logical than Barrhaven. Orleans is closer to downtown, has better transit to downtown, and houses are a lot cheaper.
If everybody chose Orleans, we would have continuous subdivisions out to Rockland and traffic would be beyond a nightmare out there. LRT would also exceed capacity after spending $10B to $15B to get it out to Rockland.


A sustainable city requires growth to radiate from downtown evenly in every direction that is geographically possible.
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If everybody chose Orleans, we would have continuous subdivisions out to Rockland and traffic would be beyond a nightmare out there. LRT would also exceed capacity after spending $10B to $15B to get it out to Rockland.


A sustainable city requires growth to radiate from downtown evenly in every direction that is geographically possible.
And given that the city "ends" going east a lot sooner than it does going west, it makes sense for the east to grow faster at the moment. Remember that Rockland isn't actually that much farther out than Stittsville.
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I'd also add that for a variety of reasons, anything to the west in Ottawa is generally considered more "prestige" and "classier" than anything to the east. This includes the suburbs.

It's been a while since I checked house prices but I am pretty sure Kanata and Barrhaven are more expensive than Orleans, in spite of the commuting headaches associated with living in the latter.
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If everybody chose to live in the Glebe, that $1M house would rise to $5M or $10M and most people would end up living in substandard condos at $2M or apartments at $2500 per month for one bedroom. The economics really do limit choices people have so our city has to build according to the economic reality, that soon 100,000 people will live there. The day we try to accommodate 100,000 people in the Glebe will be the day we destroy the neighbourhood.
The point is that if you choose to live in Barrhaven and commute by car you get bad traffic. Stop demanding to build highways to your doorstep that would destroy other communities.
Just like if you choose to live in the Glebe you get small backyard. That's the trade-off.
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2019, 6:15 PM
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Four new ice breakers taking to Ottawa sidewalks

Megan Gillis, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: February 27, 2019


It looks frankly terrifying, but could the Blue Gryb liberate pedestrians from scarily-slick sidewalks?

When Somerset ward Coun. Catherine McKenney tweeted about the city’s newly-acquired rotating ice breaker and “cutting edge” sidewalk plow blades during a meeting this week with city staff on tackling icy conditions for pedestrians, she got dozens of comments and more than 250 likes.

She wasn’t surprised.

“If you don’t walk a lot, if you’re not a regular pedestrian, you don’t really get how difficult it is to navigate the sidewalks after a snowstorm, when it’s icy,” McKenney said, adding that she hears daily from elderly and mobility-challenged constituents.

Almost three-quarters of people who live and work downtown commute on foot, she said.

“It’s such a struggle for people,” McKenney said. “Any time you offer residents hope we’re going to make things better they’re really excited.”

The city has leased four Blue Gryb Rotating Icebreakers as a pilot project, reports Donald Dinelle, the city’s director of fleet services.

“The GRYB icebreaker attachment hooks onto the front of the sidewalk tractor and can be used to break up ice on the sidewalks when needed,” he said.

The lease is part of a larger contract for six months each year over the next three years. The cost is under wraps – it’s considered commercially confidential.

The Victoriaville, Quebec-based Gryb touts its icebreaker as using less chemical ice melt and salt while crushing ice up to five centimetres thick on sidewalks three times as fast as standard equipment even in very low temperatures.

Brian Scott of the public works department was out with the new equipment in Blackburn Hamlet Tuesday afternoon and explained that the 1,000-kilo attachment and its nearly 800 steel spikes perforate the ice so that salt can penetrate and workers can clear sidewalks to bare pavement. Crews were able to clear about 10 cm of ice in a few passes, he said, instead of just putting spreading sand and grit on the ice for traction.

Urban councillors and their staff met with city staff this week to brainstorm solutions to icy sidewalks. They heard that freeze-thaw cycles have made for extra icy sidewalks this year because the thick layer of ice is hard to remove once it accumulates, unlike on roads where ice is melted away by the friction of hot tires.

In the 2020 budget, McKenney would like to see money for city staff to reassess sidewalk clearing standards and come back with recommendations.

She suggests they include uncoupling sidewalk standards from the road the sidewalk runs along. Right now, the sidewalks on a busy road get cleared first even if the sidewalks on quieter streets attract just as many pedestrians. So, sidewalks on Bank Street or Preston Street are clearly relatively quickly, for example, but sidewalks on Lisgar Street, which isn’t a busy street for motorists but is a pedestrian thoroughfare, isn’t cleared as fast.

New technology to clear accumulated ice could be a big boon for pedestrians, McKenney said.

“This would allow crews to go in and start fresh a few times every winter,” she said. “What we’re seeing on our sidewalks right now is even if the crew is out 24/7 (and) they’re plowing the sidewalk, is once you get that ice accumulation you can’t get rid of it.

“I have seniors calling me daily who are afraid to leave their homes. If you have any kind of mobility issue, it’s impossible to walk on that sidewalk.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/four-new-ice-breakers-taking-to-ottawa-sidewalks

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I'm glad to see the city is taking a more proactive approach to making our sidewalks navigable. The snowplow jobs are absolutely horrendous, especially in Westboro, where the residential streets become pure ice with deep ruts. I've driven off-road vehicles that were smoother than our roads.
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I'm glad to see the city is taking a more proactive approach to making our sidewalks navigable. The snowplow jobs are absolutely horrendous, especially in Westboro, where the residential streets become pure ice with deep ruts. I've driven off-road vehicles that were smoother than our roads.
Decoupling is an excellent idea as well, acknowledging pedestrians aren't cars with feet. We are plowing sidewalks nobody uses, like the ones on west hunt club first and ignoring where pedestrians actually travel.
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Decoupling is an excellent idea as well, acknowledging pedestrians aren't cars with feet. We are plowing sidewalks nobody uses, like the ones on west hunt club first and ignoring where pedestrians actually travel.
Exactly. Prioritizing sidewalk plows based on vehicle traffic makes no sense. All other things being equal, people tend to prefer walking on streets with less traffic.
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In driving news, I'm glad I live and work on the Ontario side. What bright mind decided it would be a good idea to do major closures on 3 of the 4 bridges into Gatineau:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/interprovincial-bridge-closures-2019-1.5043761
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'Speed camera ahead': Google Maps adds photo radar warnings for drivers
The feature allows users to see speed limits, speed cameras and mobile speed cameras on the map before they leave

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Updated: March 5, 2019


EDMONTON — Drivers using Google Maps are getting a last-minute warning as they approach some photo radar camera locations.

The feature, which is currently being rolled out by Google, allows users to see speed limits, speed cameras and mobile speed cameras on the map before they leave.

It also gives a verbal warning — an automated voice saying “speed camera ahead” — when drivers are near a fixed camera location.

Police in Alberta say the feature is helpful to them.

“The biggest thing we love … is we place those (cameras) by collision statistics,” said Sgt. Joerg Gottschling of the Calgary Police Service traffic section. “If we do a new site, if we are going to install a new camera, the next site is always selected by the next highest crash site.

“Our intersection locations are all determined where we are trying to eliminate collisions.”

Gottschling said they’ve had up to a 50 per cent reduction in collisions in some areas where those cameras are stationed.

With Google Maps, he noted, all drivers approaching the fixed camera intersection get the warning.

“That camera is only facing one way,” said Gottschling. “Let’s say it’s only facing northbound, but you can approach southbound or eastbound … you are still going to get Google telling you caution.

“So you’re going to go slowly and cautiously through there which, lo and behold, is actually what we want.”

Sgt. Kerry Bates with the Edmonton Police traffic division agrees.

“If it slows people down and they know it’s there, that’s good,” he said. “It’s fine. It does the trick.”

Bates said there are about 70 fixed camera locations in the city and they will be adding others in the near future.

Google said in an email that there will also be an ability for android users to report mobile speed cameras and stationary cameras.

The technology company said there’s no plan to merge Google Maps with Waze, a community-based traffic and navigation app that allows drivers to share real-time traffic and road information.

The Alberta government is making changes to prevent photo radar from being used as a “cash cow” by municipalities.

As part of the changes, which are expected by June, radar will be banned at spots where the speed limit changes on highways. It also won’t be allowed on high-speed, multi-lane highways unless there is documented proof of safety concerns.

Gottschling said there will still be photo radar on busy roads such as Deerfoot Trail and Stoney Trail in Calgary.

“We will be on those roadways because of the secondary justification of speed, collision and difficulty in traditional enforcement,” he said. “There’s no better way to enforce Deerfoot than with photos.

“We also have to take into account where can we safely position ourselves.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/speed-cam...wcm/a09e9a61-d18e-45c2-9b83-3a43256bba75
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For sure. Very condescending.

I kind of agree on some level, but it's not that simple for everyone. A family of 4 who can only afford a townhouse in Orléans wouldn't be able to purchase anything bigger than a one bedroom condo in the city.
Nonsense. I'm in a two bedroom condo at Cyrville that's cheaper than many houses in Orleans. For a family with one young kid, this is alright. I've seen many a married couple with no kids move to Orleans. I know a single guy at work who stays in freaking Embrun. They all do this because they want more space. Let's not kid ourselves about that.

I'm with the author on this one. My family has made a choice to live with less space and less stuff, because we can have a transit friendly lifestyle and only keep one car in the garage. And we were able to do that and stay within our means, specifically because we gave up space. Alternatively, some folks will rent for cheaper, to live in the city, and give up equity and flexibility instead.

I really don't care that she was condescending. The folks who just push more highways need a dose of reality.

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The point is that if you choose to live in Barrhaven and commute by car you get bad traffic. Stop demanding to build highways to your doorstep that would destroy other communities.
Just like if you choose to live in the Glebe you get small backyard. That's the trade-off.
Exactly. You won't just get a smaller backyard in the Glebe. You'll get a larger mortgage, older homes with less flexibility to meet today's standards, more traffic and noise, etc. The folks there put up with more because they value the lifestyle. And they get rewarded with convenience.

My only real critique is that Canadian cities (not just Ottawa), really suffer from the "missing middle" with housing. The areas inside the greenbelt should have lots of lowrise apartments for singles and retired folks and urban towns that can accomodate families. This is what really sucks. I know for my family this would be a real consideration if the family was to grow. Neither of us wants to commute from the far reaches of the burbs. And finding quality housing inside the greenbelt, for say 20% more than what we'd get for the condo is difficult. I can't get 15% more space for 20% more cost inside the greenbelt. There's a lot of areas of Ottawa inside the greenbelt that should be redeveloped to accommodate higher density. But redevelopment is difficult and not worthwhile when it's so easy for developers to just pave over fields in the burbs and put up mcmansions.

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My only real critique is that Canadian cities (not just Ottawa), really suffer from the "missing middle" with housing. The areas inside the greenbelt should have lots of lowrise apartments for singles and retired folks and urban towns that can accomodate families. This is what really sucks. I know for my family this would be a real consideration if the family was to grow. Neither of us wants to commute from the far reaches of the burbs. And finding quality housing inside the greenbelt, for say 20% more than what we'd get for the condo is difficult. I can't get 15% more space for 20% more cost inside the greenbelt. There's a lot of areas of Ottawa inside the greenbelt that should be redeveloped to accommodate higher density. But redevelopment is difficult and not worthwhile when it's so easy for developers to just pave over fields in the burbs and put up mcmansions.
I think you would find a fair number of relatively affordable larger options fairly close to where you are now. There are a number of 90s era developments with townhouses or detached houses.

I think the problem is that infill housing is all one-off, so you have to go through all of the approvals for each house, pay a premium for a custom house, etc. whereas the exurbs are all approved and built in bulk. Knocking down one 50s bungalow near Coconut Lagoon could be replaced with 3 good-sized, family-friendly townhouses.
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I think you would find a fair number of relatively affordable larger options fairly close to where you are now. There are a number of 90s era developments with townhouses or detached houses.

I think the problem is that infill housing is all one-off, so you have to go through all of the approvals for each house, pay a premium for a custom house, etc. whereas the exurbs are all approved and built in bulk. Knocking down one 50s bungalow near Coconut Lagoon could be replaced with 3 good-sized, family-friendly townhouses.
A little off-topic here, but one of the solutions to help encourage infill is blanket rezoning around transit stations (R3 at least). Politically this is a challenging move, but it is necessary if the City seriously wants to deliver the "missing middle". I'm a bit of a broken record on this issue, but here are all the areas that need to be looked at:
  • Certain areas of Queensway Terrace
  • Area around Iris Station
  • The area just east of Woodroffe but north of Meadowlands (around Baseline Stationa and a possible future Tallwood Station)
  • Mckellar Park
  • Eastway Gardens
  • Pleasant Park
  • The area just west of the Airport Parkway Bridge
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If everybody chose Orleans, we would have continuous subdivisions out to Rockland and traffic would be beyond a nightmare out there. LRT would also exceed capacity after spending $10B to $15B to get it out to Rockland.


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Who are you kidding?
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Is there a mute/ignore function on this forum? Asking for a friend.

Edit: nevermind, found it.
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What to know about three bridge repair projects starting in Ottawa soon

Tom Spears, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: March 6, 2019


Three of the five bridges across the Ottawa River are due for repair jobs of varying sizes, and the lane closures will begin in April.

One bridge, the Chaudière, will close completely to cars and trucks, though not to pedestrians, cyclists and buses.

Public Services and Procurement Canada provided a summary Tuesday with these details:

• Portage Bridge: “April to June 2019: One northbound lane closed at all times. A second northbound lane closed overnight and occasionally during off-peak hours.”
• Chaudière: “The Chaudière Crossing (from the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway in Ottawa to Laurier Street in Gatineau) will be closed to cars and trucks from June to August 2019. Cars will be rerouted to the Portage Bridge and truck traffic to the Macdonald-Cartier bridge.” This will allow a “reconfiguration” of Booth and Eddy streets near the Zibi project. As well, one section of the Chaudière Crossing, the Union Bridge, is on unstable bedrock and one lane will close from this July to October of 2021 — 27 months — while work goes on to stabilize that.
• The Alexandra Bridge requires superstructure repairs that will take one year, from this June to June of 2020. PSPC says this “requires closure of the Gatineau-bound lane. The centre lane will be used as a reversible lane for traffic and the boardwalk will remain open to pedestrians and cyclists.”
• The Champlain Bridge, which is west of the other bridges, has no major work scheduled in the short term.
• The Macdonald-Cartier Bridge, the bridge lying farthest to the east, has had a recent rehabilitation and also faces no work in the near term.

PSPC adds that “social media and a website will be used to provide updates on upcoming bridge work to keep commuters informed.”

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...-repair-projects-starting-in-ottawa-soon
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BREAKING NEWS: The Interprovincial (Alexandra) Bridge will be demolished within the next 5-10 years. New link will likely include rapid-transit component.

https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/gatin...dix-ans-73ec4a00ed7bc82f267eab92d675d0ee

In other news, NCC will take over all 5 road bridges.

https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/gatin...inciaux-3281225c586e93b75cb8aaf9dd000fcc
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BREAKING NEWS: The Interprovincial (Alexandra) Bridge will be demolished within the next 5-10 years. New link will likely include rapid-transit component.

https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/gatin...dix-ans-73ec4a00ed7bc82f267eab92d675d0ee

In other news, NCC will take over all 5 road bridges.

https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/gatin...inciaux-3281225c586e93b75cb8aaf9dd000fcc
Wow. That would be huge! I honestly thought they would just keep it alive for another couple generations but I am glad to see they are going to look at creating a modern link.
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On the one hand, I'm really sad about it. This is the most iconic bridge in Ottawa (not iconic world standards, but Ottawa standards). It's steeped in history. It is the most used interprovincial pedestrian/cycling link in the region and crucial for the tourism industry. This will hit us hard while we're waiting for the new bridge.

On the other hand, it is an excellent opportunity to explore ways to better integrate our transit systems. We'll be working with a blank slate planning the new crossing for Gatineau's rail network. Hopefully, the rail portion can have its own right-of-way. We could even consider not having cars cross at all.
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