PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[mcgrath618]

900 North 8th St:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=8481411#post8481411

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

900 North 8th St:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=8481411#post8481411

I hate John Turchi, because he's distinguished himself as a dirty, rotten, scoundrel* (and no, I'm not talking about Dilworth House), but I absolutely *LOVE* this design and want to see more like this.

*See JOEL ELFMAN, DDS v. ARNOLD BERMAN, JOHN J. TURCHI, JR., and JOHN TURCHI PARTNERSHIP: https://www.courts.phila.gov/PDF/cpcvcomprg/elf830.pdf

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

Walking the line between lowrise and highrise, but it is tall enough to garner its own thread.

Title: 900 North 8th St/901 North 9th St
Project: Residential
Architect: Coscia Moos Arch
Developer: John Turchi
Location: 900 Block of Poplar
Neighborhood: Poplar
Floors: 13-14 Floors
Height: 154 feet

https://www.phila.gov/CityPlanning/proje...and%20901%20N%209TH%20STREET_reduced.pdf

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by Jayfar

I hate John Turchi, because he's distinguished himself as a dirt, rotten, scoundrel* (and no, I'm not talking about Dilworth House), but I absolutely *LOVE* this design and want to see more like this.

*See JOEL ELFMAN, DDS v. ARNOLD BERMAN, JOHN J. TURCHI, JR., and JOHN TURCHI PARTNERSHIP: https://www.courts.phila.gov/PDF/cpcvcomprg/elf830.pdf

That's actually a mistake; the property is actually owned by APOM Holdings

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

That's actually a mistake; the property is actually owned by APOM Holdings

So you're saying Turchi is not involved with this proposal on Poplar St?

[Aaamazarite]

It's a Post Brothers project.

Looks good!

[Urbanthusiat]

Post Bros is supposedly redeveloping that old building on the other side of the tracks. That's a huge investment here. Would be amazing if all of these get build. I'm very skeptical of the retail space getting filled though, this area doesn't get a ton of foot traffic and there's not much commercial use along that corridor.

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

Post Bros is supposedly redeveloping that old building on the other side of the tracks.

Looks like that's still on, although they've reduced the number of dwelling units from 350 to 285:

Permit Number
906534
Application Type
USE PERMIT
Permit Type
USE-USE CHANGE FOR PARTOF BLDG
Date Issued
Tue Sep 04 2018
Work Description
FOR THE REDUCTION OF TOTAL# OF DWELLING UNITS FROM THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY (350) TO A TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY-FIVE (285) DWELLING UNITS FROM THIRD (3RD) FLOORS THROUGH TENTH(10TH) FLOORS AS PER APPLICATION # 844834 AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON THE SAME LOT WITH ALL OTHER USES AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
Status
COMPLETED

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by allovertown

[...]

I agree with you that there are plenty of ways to improve Society Hill, and that their desire to never change hurts the neighborhood and Philadelphia. But I believe strongly that any changes to Society Hill need to be made thoughtfully and with the respect that it is important to our history and our tourism economy, a respect that you seem to lack.

We're not going to agree as far as Society Hill's importance concerning tourism. I stand by my position and believe the evidence supports it, but I see no need to drag this out.

I do however need to respond to your assumption that I lack a respect for history. I'm very much a preservationist (when it comes to anything pre-war or earlier), especially in contrast to the majority of this forum's members, so I'm not sure what would give you that idea.

We seem to be largely in agreement as far as what is best for the neighborhood and city going forward so cheers.

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by Justin7

We're not going to agree as far as Society Hill's importance concerning tourism. I stand by my position and believe the evidence supports it, but I see no need to drag this out.

I do however need to respond to your assumption that I lack a respect for history. I'm very much a preservationist (when it comes to anything pre-war or earlier), especially in contrast to the majority of this forum's members, so I'm not sure what would give you that idea.

We seem to be largely in agreement as far as what is best for the neighborhood and city going forward so cheers.

Awkward sentence, I was trying to say you lack respect for society hill's role in the tourism economy of this city. A view you seem to have been unpersuaded to change, but at least we share a similar vision for the neighborhood.

[PHL10]

I probably came off too harsh but my only point was that in my experience, Society Hill crawls with tourists and seeing these old neighborhoods in part of the expectation in visiting Philadelphia regardless if the person recognizes the name "Society Hill".

[hammersklavier]

I'm kind of surprised (in a good way) that 10 North Station's managed to get to CDR at all. I legit thought that project was pie-in-the-sky when we first heard about interest at the site.

[City Wide]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^you weren't alone. I still wouldn't place a big bet on this getting built. Maybe all those federal tax programs will help get this type of project built in this type of neighborhood.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by Kfmcshan

High-rise hotel coming to the site of the former Midtown II diner in Center City

"The site at 122 S.11th Street in Philadelphia once occupied by Midtown II Restaurant is set to become a 14-story, 86-room hotel with restaurants on the bottom two levels."

via Plan Philly

I used to go to that diner every week or so, great food, and was pretty cool with the owners. Sad to see it go, but this proposed building would help Center City reach some much needed density.

[Tatts]

Well, that set of buildings on N 8th & 9th bothers me in a couple of ways. First, in the first big rendering of the development, the sun is on the wrong side of the building. What we're looking at in that view is the North side, and the sun would never be up in the sky like that. That will get a glancing blow of sun in very early morning and sunset only during mid-summer, nothing more. Lies, all lies.

But what really bugs me about the design is the masonry wrap around the structure. Those residences are going to be like caves with the windows recessed 2 or 3 feet like that, even on the South side of the building. I see too many buildings in the city that have such very lousy respect for natural light both inside and out. Jefferson's Alumni Hall on Locust is a prime example--the mimsy little slit windows and the stupid pedestal on which nothing will grow because of the shade of the overhang.

One of the first things I learned in Arch. 101 and 102 was sun studies. I'm surprised nobody pays much attention to that (glass curtain walls excluded, obviously).

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by Tatts

Well, that set of buildings on N 8th & 9th bothers me in a couple of ways. First, in the first big rendering of the development, the sun is on the wrong side of the building. What we're looking at in that view is the North side, and the sun would never be up in the sky like that. That will get a glancing blow of sun in very early morning and sunset only during mid-summer, nothing more. Lies, all lies.

But what really bugs me about the design is the masonry wrap around the structure. Those residences are going to be like caves with the windows recessed 2 or 3 feet like that, even on the South side of the building. I see too many buildings in the city that have such very lousy respect for natural light both inside and out. Jefferson's Alumni Hall on Locust is a prime example--the mimsy little slit windows and the stupid pedestal on which nothing will grow because of the shade of the overhang.

One of the first things I learned in Arch. 101 and 102 was sun studies. I'm surprised nobody pays much attention to that (glass curtain walls excluded, obviously).

I'm a little confused and not quite seeing what you're seeing, especially as to your first point. If you have time, could you pull up the pictures into a post and annotate them individually?

[FtGreeneNY]

Originally Posted by Tatts

Well, that set of buildings on N 8th & 9th bothers me in a couple of ways. First, in the first big rendering of the development, the sun is on the wrong side of the building. What we're looking at in that view is the North side...

The broad sides of those buildings are the east and west sides I believe as the rail viaduct runs n/s. The two-way street in the rendering is Poplar looking west. I believe this is right near the Ukrainian Cathedral.

I grew up around there, first in the Coops on Franklin and then on Hoffman Place. Cool to see stuff like this.

[Tatts]

I stand corrected, and I sit corrected. If I had just noticed the old Inquirer building there I wouldn't have misplaced the buildings. I swear, I stared at that for the longest time, and I was sure I had it oriented correctly. I was wrong, so very wrong.

OTOH, it wouldn't be the first time somebody moved the sun in a rendering for visual effect. I hate it when I see it.

Even so, I still hate the deeply recessed windows. Function following form.

[mcgrath618]

Seems like SSP was having some issues today...

[iheartphilly]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

Seems like SSP was having some issues today...

Yep, appears server was down most of the day. Glad things are back on track!

[Mr Saturn64]

So there's a new trailer for Shazam, which comes out in a month that shows off Philly quite a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uilJZZ_iVwY