Highways in Canada

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

NB has roughly 800 km of fully grade separated and limited access freeway for a population of only 757,000 people.

That's 1 km of freeway for every 950 people!

Beat that ratio Ontario! I dare you..........

I did a rough estimate:
Nova Scotia has 1240 km of super 2’s and 4-lane freeways, for a population of ~953K. That’s 1 km for every 770 people!

In short, I think your neighbour beats you to it.

[Tone]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Which exit though? I should have been clear: A20 has 4 lanes until right before Exit 520. From google satellite image, one can see how A20 used to go from 4 to 2 lanes and immediately join Rte 132.

The 6 overpasses around Rimouski from exit 606 to 629 are built-in twinned.

I was just saying this for fun because we have a small but first step towards a real twinned highway.

[Dengler Avenue]

Unfortunately, unless and until MTQ figures out how to build that bridge across Rivière Trois Pistoles, A-20 between there and Rimouski will need to wait. Also, IMO, if it’s built, it may need to be built with 4 lanes right away.

[Acajack]

Almost all (maybe all) of the interchanges and overpasses on the super-2 sections of A-50 are built for a twinned highway. Though in some cases there is still a mountain of rock inside one side of them.

[FrAnKs]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Almost all (maybe all) of the interchanges and overpasses on the super-2 sections of A-50 are built for a twinned highway. Though in some cases there is still a mountain of rock inside one side of them.

We should have made tunnels someplaces like they often do in Europe. I find there are certain mountains of rocks on the edge of our roads that are ridiculously high/tall sometimes.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Almost all (maybe all) of the interchanges and overpasses on the super-2 sections of A-50 are built for a twinned highway. Though in some cases there is still a mountain of rock inside one side of them.

Originally Posted by FrAnKs

We should have made tunnels someplaces like they often do in Europe. I find there are certain mountains of rocks on the edge of our roads that are ridiculously high/tall sometimes.

Near which town or exit? I wonder if MTQ will cheapen out by having left and right shoulders that are narrower than normal in those area then. If B.C.’s got the gut to set a speed limit of 120 km/h on Coquihalla Pass, where for the most part shoulders are clearly insufficient, why can’t we do it in Ontatio and in Quebec too?

Clarification: I’m half-joking and half-serious.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I did a rough estimate:
Nova Scotia has 1240 km of super 2’s and 4-lane freeways, for a population of ~953K. That’s 1 km for every 770 people!

In short, I think your neighbour beats you to it.

I didn't include our super twos. I only included proper freeways.

I don't have the precise figures, but I doubt there is more than 500 km of proper freeway in NS.

[Acajack]

Overpass wide enough for a twinned highway, but with lots of rocks in the way.

Autoroute 50 - Thurso

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.6249677,-...EWyr2XuMc1vdfCMK6_efg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[Tone]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Unfortunately, unless and until MTQ figures out how to build that bridge across Rivière Trois Pistoles, A-20 between there and Rimouski will need to wait. Also, IMO, if it’s built, it may need to be built with 4 lanes right away.

Yes it is in fact engineered for 4 lanes with a jersey barrier in the centre along with 2-3 kms of 4 lanes divided highway on either side of the bridge.

What is most likely to happen I think is: the highway will be completed from Le Bic westward towards Trois-Pistoles then finally the bridge section if ever.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I didn't include our super twos. I only included proper freeways.

I don't have the precise figures, but I doubt there is more than 500 km of proper freeway in NS.

No wonder my numbers looked a bit off...

Originally Posted by Acajack

Overpass wide enough for a twinned highway, but with lots of rocks in the way.

Autoroute 50 - Thurso

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.6249677,-...EWyr2XuMc1vdfCMK6_efg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Ah I see. The second set of lanes will go on the other side of the middle pillar, but there are rocks in the way. Fortunately they don’t seem too high.

@Tone If the freeway’s constructed on both sides, it should only be a matter of time before the bridge gets built. It’ll be a huge inconvience for high volume of traffic to make a left turn, go through a built-up area, then make another left turn, just to continue on A20. And perfect you’ve just answered one of my questions about A20 in the Quebec Highway Thread. Thanks.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

@Tone If the freeway’s constructed on both sides, it should only be a matter of time before the bridge gets built. It’ll be a huge inconvience for high volume of traffic to make a left turn, go through a built-up area, then make another left turn, just to continue on A20.

I have wondered, however, if the blasting of the rock wouldn't weaken the stability of the overpass. But I guess they have already thought about that, and it's far enough away.

[someone123]

I'm not sure exactly how many km of divided highway exists in NS but 500 km isn't implausible. Isn't the 104 mostly twinned and 320 km? The province intends to fully twin it by 2022. 102 is 106 km and fully twinned. There are half a dozen or so highways in metro Halifax. Soon there will be another one, the 4 lane divided Burnside connector. There's another planned, the 113. There might be over 100 km of urban (or suburban) divided highway just in metro Halifax.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by someone123

I'm not sure exactly how many km of divided highway exists in NS but 500 km isn't unreasonable. Isn't the 104 mostly twinned and 320 km? The province intends to fully twin it by 2022. 102 is 106 km and fully twinned. There are half a dozen or so highways in metro Halifax. Soon there will be another one, the 4 lane divided Burnside connector. There's another planned, the 113. There might be over 100 km of urban (or suburban) divided highway just in metro Halifax.

320 km’s the current length of Highway 104 unless extension to Sydney isn’t for the lolz. It’s ~230 km between the Isthmus and Lower South River (Antigonish) but the 40 km between Sutherlands River and Antigonish only have 2-3 lanes, so only 60% of Highway 104 (~190 km) is twinned.

The total length of divided freeways in N.S. can sure hit 500 km as twinning seems justified in a lot of places (especially the Highway 101 corridor), but it’ll definitely take a while.

Now just out of sheer curiosity, is a direct super-2 link warranted between Windsor, N.S. and Highway 102?

[Tone]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

@Tone If the freeway’s constructed on both sides, it should only be a matter of time before the bridge gets built. It’ll be a huge inconvience for high volume of traffic to make a left turn, go through a built-up area, then make another left turn, just to continue on A20. And perfect you’ve just answered one of my questions about A20 in the Quebec Highway Thread. Thanks.

Your welcome I guess.

You probably know this if you are familiar with the area but the most dangerous section of Rte 132 is between Le Bic and St-Fabien and A20 should be completed there in priority, luckily people are now saying this should be the game plan.

[FrAnKs]

Originally Posted by Tone

Your welcome I guess.

You probably know this if you are familiar with the area but the most dangerous section of Rte 132 is between Le Bic and St-Fabien and should be completed in priority, luckily people are now saying this should be the game plan.

J'ai entendu dire qu'il n'y avait pas encore de décision sur le tronçon à prioriser...en tout cas le MTQ n'a pas encore indiqué de décision finale.

Je croyais aussi que le dernier tronçon vers Trois-Pistoles était déjà en construction et qu'il allait se connecter à la Route 293 ?

Donc globalement, où on en est rendu dans ce dossier ?

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Now just out of sheer curiosity, is a direct super-2 link warranted between Windsor, N.S. and Highway 102?

I doubt there is huge demand for this. Most traffic around central NS is likely local or commuters.

The rural highway upgrades in NS seem to be driven by safety concerns in a lot of cases.

The NS highway department has released some "if we had $4B" maps and I don't think they had a Windsor-Truro type connection.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by FrAnKs

J'ai entendu dire qu'il n'y avait pas encore de décision sur le tronçon à prioriser...en tout cas le MTQ n'a pas encore indiqué de décision finale.

Je croyais aussi que le dernier tronçon vers Trois-Pistoles était déjà en construction et qu'il allait se connecter à la Route 293 ?

Donc globalement, où on en est rendu dans ce dossier ?

C’est ce que j’ai trouvé ce soir: http://www.iheartradio.ca/rouge-fm/rouge...ement-de-la-20-pas-pour-demain-1.8716500 .
Ça semble que le futur pont de la 20 est un véritable goulot de ce dossier. Après tout, on parle d’un pont de 4 voies entre deux falaises.
Donc le dernier tronçon vers Trois-Pistoles? À partir de Rivière Trois-Pistole ou de Rimouski? Quelqu’un(e) a-t-il (ou -elle) de photo?

Originally Posted by someone123

I doubt there is huge demand for this. Most traffic around central NS is likely local or commuters.

The rural highway upgrades in NS seem to be driven by safety concerns in a lot of cases.

The NS highway department has released some "if we had $4B" maps and I don't think they had a Windsor-Truro type connection.

Ah okay. I was just wondering if there are a lot of people travelling between Windsor (N.S.) and Truro.

[Acajack]

I suspect that if NS built a faster highway between the 101 and 102 north of Halifax, they'd put it further south somewhere in the far northern suburbs so that it can also ease some traffic pressure in the metro area.

[Tone]

Originally Posted by FrAnKs

J'ai entendu dire qu'il n'y avait pas encore de décision sur le tronçon à prioriser...en tout cas le MTQ n'a pas encore indiqué de décision finale.

Je croyais aussi que le dernier tronçon vers Trois-Pistoles était déjà en construction et qu'il allait se connecter à la Route 293 ?

Donc globalement, où on en est rendu dans ce dossier ?

Le dernier tronçon complété à ouvert à l'automne 2015 et se termine à la Route Drapeau à Notre-Dame-Des-Neiges. À ma connaissance il n'y a pas eu d'autres travaux vers l'est. La seule chose que je sais avec certitude c'est qu'on a des bonnes chances de continuer à se faire niaiser et que le dossier risque d'avancer encore à pas de tortue parce qu'on vote jamais pour le parti au pouvoir.

Tiens-moi au courant si tu entends quelque chose du côté du MTQ!

[FrAnKs]

Originally Posted by Tone

Le dernier tronçon complété à ouvert à l'automne 2015 et se termine à la Route Drapeau à Notre-Dame-Des-Neiges. À ma connaissance il n'y a pas eu d'autres travaux vers l'est. La seule chose que je sais avec certitude c'est qu'on a des bonnes chances de continuer à se faire niaiser et que le dossier risque d'avancer encore à pas de tortue parce qu'on vote jamais pour le parti au pouvoir.

Tiens-moi au courant si tu entends quelque chose du côté du MTQ!

Dommage. Avec de la volonté politique ce petit tronçon de 50km qui reste à compléter pourrait se faire sans problèmes et je ne vois pas d'immenses défis d'ingénierie sur leur chemin...
Un point qui n'est pas à négliger, c'est que le débit journalier n'est pas très élevé à l'est de Rivière-du-Loup. Je pense que le MTQ va passer d'autres projets en priorité...comme l'élargissement de l'A50 ou de l'A55.

Je te contactes si j'ai quelque chose!