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Old Posted Feb 13, 2019, 5:24 AM
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Wait. Daemon is your son?
That’s pretty good math suburbia.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2019, 5:25 AM
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If he’s anything like me, he fixes things himself, like I do. Need a new roof? Do it yourself, you’ll save lots of dough. I redid my own roof a couple of years ago. I googled it, watched a couple of YouTube videos and did the hard work with the help of a couple of friends who had done it before. Got it done. Cost me 4K, plus some pizza and beer for my buddies.

Now let’s duscuss a furnace. How often does one replace a furnace? Answer: not very often. It’s not a discussion point.

Hot water tank. Maybe goes once every 15 years? The cost? Answer: The repair cost is about two months if condo fees.
The majority of people are roofing their own houses? No.

Average lifespan of a furnace is 18-20 years.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM
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Whoa - this guy really got screwed!

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=134500
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Just got a letter that at the condo wants to fix the "building envelope" which will cost 2.1 million, and my share of that would be $64,000 due within 30 days of the letter, which would be about 30 days from now. My condo is only assessed at about 265k and I bought it a couple years ago for 335k (I know tax assessment isn't the same as market price). 2 years ago there was a previous special assessment which was supposed to be 1/3 of the total work and which was $8,000.
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Chateau Falls in connaught. sellers would have to legally disclose at this point anyway.
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Fair enough, but I haven't seen any information on why the estimate doubled in 2 years and how bad the damage is. This is not a rental unfortunately.

Not to mention the first $8500 I spent was for them to replace the roof and in doing so they caused severe water damage to my unit which they have not fixed and after stating they were putting it through insurance have decided not to pay for my repairs and I've been fighting them for 1.5 years for that money. So I paid them $8500 to ruin my condo, and now they want another 64k.
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I got hit by an assessment in the 6 digits a couple years ago. My unit factor is actually quite small relative to most other units so I actually got off lucky.

There wasn't much I could do about it. The board settled for a tiny amount against the builders and designers for envelope repairs. The lawsuit was a mess; so many of the contractors closed down their incorporations and, consequently, made it difficult to chase them. The residents who didn't pay are fighting action started by the board now.
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Bump. One of my wife's co-workers has a condo in one of the old brick "loft" buildings around 12 Ave in the beltline. No special assessment but his condo fees just jumped to around $750/month for a 1 bedroom loft.. A pretty large increase.
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Unfortunately have to bump this... just got a $40k special assessment in the mail today (that's the lump sum value; they say that up to 24 month payment plans may be available) for our townhouse complex. We first got wind that this would probably be coming about 2 months ago... certainly didn't expect it to be this much or this soon.

Apparently they're replacing all the windows (again), doors, siding, removing some landscaping, and assorted other bits and pieces all at once over the next 3-4 years.

What I don't understand is how one is supposed to be able to prepare for something like this. Even paying our share over 24 months would essentially our cost of living for housing. An emergency fund is great, but ultimately a drop in the bucket. When we moved in (~5 years ago), we - I thought - did all the right things. The home inspection came back relatively clean, just needed a new furnace and hot water heater eventually which we took care of. The windows had just been done and nothing else was flagged. Condo docs showed the reserve fund was great and there were no red flags.
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The first mention of the potential for the assessment was in the most recent board meeting minutes, which basically said (I don't have them in front of me) that this 'may' be needed, but the reserve fund might cover most or all of it. Honestly, I was prepared mentally for up to a $10k assessment after reading this thread... 4x that is just blowing me away.

Basically the letter we got said the following: "The Engineers findings have clearly shown that the siding, windows and doors have failed." When we moved in about 5 years ago, we were told that the windows had recently been replaced
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I want to thank everyone in this thread for re-affirming that I made the right decision when I bought a house instead of the inner-city condo I was considering.

So many of my friends have been hit with special assessments in the past few years, most of them due to shoddy workmanship with regards to work done (sometimes during contruction) on the building envelope.
Reading some of that and reflecting on Suburgatory's list of questions, it seems to me that I'd catch something sooner than the point where $100K envelope repair would be required to be paid for within 30 days. I'm saying $100K and not $64K as in the first case above, because his is probably an 800sf unit, and I have 3,500sf of developed space, so I'm actually being very conservative.

Further, the one guy commented that he paid $8K plus for a roof special assessment (didn't you guys say roofs were covered in the condo fees) and the roofer damaged something that caused leaking into his unit. The board said they'd deal with it, but nothing has happened and looks like he is not getting anything. If it was my house, I'd be not paying the contractor and/or dealing with them directly. No false sense of security from assuming some condo board that isn't you will actually look out for you.

Then there is the guy with the $40K special assessment which includes landscaping. Wow! Putting a massive burdon on owners because the board felt they'd throw in some new patios, dirt and trees onto an already big surprise!

And this thing about the guy buys a place and is told doors and windows were recently replaced, only to be told that the board hired engineering consultants that concluded the doors and windows need to be replaced again. Who watches out for quality of things going in, quality of workmanship, and making sure that prices being paid are fair and appropriate? Oh right, the condo fees get paid to people that "ensure" those things.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2019, 7:35 AM
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Whoa - this guy really got screwed!

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=134500


Reading some of that and reflecting on Suburgatory's list of questions, it seems to me that I'd catch something sooner than the point where $100K envelope repair would be required to be paid for within 30 days. I'm saying $100K and not $64K as in the first case above, because his is probably an 800sf unit, and I have 3,500sf of developed space, so I'm actually being very conservative.

Further, the one guy commented that he paid $8K plus for a roof special assessment (didn't you guys say roofs were covered in the condo fees) and the roofer damaged something that caused leaking into his unit. The board said they'd deal with it, but nothing has happened and looks like he is not getting anything. If it was my house, I'd be not paying the contractor and/or dealing with them directly. No false sense of security from assuming some condo board that isn't you will actually look out for you.

Then there is the guy with the $40K special assessment which includes landscaping. Wow! Putting a massive burdon on owners because the board felt they'd throw in some new patios, dirt and trees onto an already big surprise!

And this thing about the guy buys a place and is told doors and windows were recently replaced, only to be told that the board hired engineering consultants that concluded the doors and windows need to be replaced again. Who watches out for quality of things going in, quality of workmanship, and making sure that prices being paid are fair and appropriate? Oh right, the condo fees get paid to people that "ensure" those things.
I'd like to know who was managing these places. By law condominium corporations have to have a reserve fund study done. There are engineering firms that specialize in this type of work. Everything is mapped out for about 15 to 20 years IIRC including when things should be done and what the cost will be based on different scenarios. This study allows you to do proper financial planning. When the books are audited each year the accountant who did the audit should be able to tell you if your reserve fund is sufficient or not to meet future obligations. Some condo boards, especially of newer buildings, think that they don't have to worry about such things at first and think it's better to keep fees lower. Then when stuff needs to be done there isn't enough money in the reserve fund and they're forced to do special assessments. Provincial law dictates most of this so if you know the laws and rules you can keep your board honest. Going to AGMs is also important. Ask questions and make sure you get satisfactory answers. Also make sure there is sufficient insurance on the building/complex.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2019, 7:39 AM
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Lucky folks, I've got a massive city wide construction photo update to post to get this place back on track!

I'm just currently resizing all of the photos and will post them all in the morning.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2019, 7:47 AM
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Whoa - this guy really got screwed!

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=134500


Reading some of that and reflecting on Suburgatory's list of questions, it seems to me that I'd catch something sooner than the point where $100K envelope repair would be required to be paid for within 30 days. I'm saying $100K and not $64K as in the first case above, because his is probably an 800sf unit, and I have 3,500sf of developed space, so I'm actually being very conservative.

Further, the one guy commented that he paid $8K plus for a roof special assessment (didn't you guys say roofs were covered in the condo fees) and the roofer damaged something that caused leaking into his unit. The board said they'd deal with it, but nothing has happened and looks like he is not getting anything. If it was my house, I'd be not paying the contractor and/or dealing with them directly. No false sense of security from assuming some condo board that isn't you will actually look out for you.

Then there is the guy with the $40K special assessment which includes landscaping. Wow! Putting a massive burdon on owners because the board felt they'd throw in some new patios, dirt and trees onto an already big surprise!

And this thing about the guy buys a place and is told doors and windows were recently replaced, only to be told that the board hired engineering consultants that concluded the doors and windows need to be replaced again. Who watches out for quality of things going in, quality of workmanship, and making sure that prices being paid are fair and appropriate? Oh right, the condo fees get paid to people that "ensure" those things.
tl;dr

Nice find from 2014. You really had to dig into the depths of Calgarypuck.

You know people can buy a single family home that has underlying issues too. I had a client be out hundreds of thousands and a home to live in due to major foundation issues on their single family home.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2019, 3:11 PM
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You work in the HVAC industry no? So you likely got a deal on the units and did the install yourself? How much would it have cost someone for retail + parts + labour?

My post of the treeless Falconridge street was obviously just a response to the hyperbole about the inner city.
I am in HVAC right now yes. Also spent over a decade in home renos so I get discounts on all building materials.

Retail price + install certainly would be a fair bit more. I don’t deal with residential though so not sure if exact costs.
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Beltline is the Best Neighbourhood in Calgary
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ATTENTION CALGARY DWELLERS: HERE’S 5 REASONS TO MOVE TO THE BELTLINE

https://www.liveatthemet.com/blog/2016/09/16/5-reasons-to-move-to-beltline-calgary/

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I'd like to know who was managing these places. By law condominium corporations have to have a reserve fund study done. There are engineering firms that specialize in this type of work. Everything is mapped out for about 15 to 20 years IIRC including when things should be done and what the cost will be based on different scenarios.
Most of the envelope issues relate to the poor construction, and would not have been part of the financial maps. Special assessments are special because they are not part of the projected cash-flow. The problems of sub-par construction are not the end of it, however. They are exacerbated by a.) not being sufficiently tough through legal processes, b.) not monitoring for first signs of issues and rather waiting till things are particularly bad, and c.) not ensuring best value for contracts.

Perhaps the saddest case of the examples that were listed in that thread was the guy who had a $8,400 special assessment for roofing (likely because of shoddy construction, and not a regularly expected replacement) where the company hired caused damage that resulted in a leak. The condo board said they'd go to their insurance company for that, but ended up leaving him in a lurch because they did nothing, and he was waiting and waiting.

These are the types of issues specific to condos, because you are arms length of everything. You think paying X dollars means people are managing things other home owners are doing at their cost anyway, but the people managing things don't have your back in a condo. There is less incentive to do the right thing for the boards. Even being at the AGMs or being on the boards will not resolve the issues, and those board members either are self serving, or tired from all the hassle required to do a good job, because it is a volunteer burden. Much is left to the management companies, a layer of overhead not required for a regular home owner. The management companies have many, many conflicts of interest themselves, and the turn-over as part of these companies and the contractors they hire add a further layer of corruption hiding haze.
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Lucky folks, I've got a massive city wide construction photo update to post to get this place back on track!

I'm just currently resizing all of the photos and will post them all in the morning.
Thanks Nick! Looking forward to it.

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As someone who has lived in the Beltline and still lives nearby, I can attest to this.

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ATTENTION CALGARY DWELLERS: HERE’S 5 REASONS TO MOVE TO THE BELTLINE

https://www.liveatthemet.com/blog/2016/09/16/5-reasons-to-move-to-beltline-calgary/

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Here are a few of my own photos from one of my many walks around the Beltline. Walks that I somehow managed to survive. No needles, no stabbings, nobody urinating on me, just nice pleasant walks.











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Thanks Nick! Looking forward to it.
Looks like my dog (windows update) ruined my homework. I’ll have to resize them all over since my backup files overwrote.
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Most of the envelope issues relate to the poor construction, and would not have been part of the financial maps. Special assessments are special because they are not part of the projected cash-flow. The problems of sub-par construction are not the end of it, however. They are exacerbated by a.) not being sufficiently tough through legal processes, b.) not monitoring for first signs of issues and rather waiting till things are particularly bad, and c.) not ensuring best value for contracts.

Perhaps the saddest case of the examples that were listed in that thread was the guy who had a $8,400 special assessment for roofing (likely because of shoddy construction, and not a regularly expected replacement) where the company hired caused damage that resulted in a leak. The condo board said they'd go to their insurance company for that, but ended up leaving him in a lurch because they did nothing, and he was waiting and waiting.

These are the types of issues specific to condos, because you are arms length of everything. You think paying X dollars means people are managing things other home owners are doing at their cost anyway, but the people managing things don't have your back in a condo. There is less incentive to do the right thing for the boards. Even being at the AGMs or being on the boards will not resolve the issues, and those board members either are self serving, or tired from all the hassle required to do a good job, because it is a volunteer burden. Much is left to the management companies, a layer of overhead not required for a regular home owner. The management companies have many, many conflicts of interest themselves, and the turn-over as part of these companies and the contractors they hire add a further layer of corruption hiding haze.
Being alive is risky.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2019, 5:21 PM
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Being alive is risky.
I think it is important to assess carefully when financial ruin is what you're potentially playing with, but agree that some level of risk is always required. Question is, given the numerous real examples we're heard testimony on, is the significant additional risk of a condo special assessment, haywire board, or corruption in the additional layers between owner and service providers really worth it?
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Also, remember to use [spoiler] tags when quoting multiple images. Not using the spoiler tags is more likely to piss off other users than it is to promote faithful conversation.
Just a reminder on the above guidance from one of our moderators. I've tried to be consistent over the past months by only quoting specific photos when responding to a post with a string of images, but there continues to be a group of individuals who are really hurting the usability of the forum by quoting many images without spoiler tags.

Let's heed Xelebes' guidance please.

On a related note, I've seen other forums where users can simply click a "like" or "thumbs up" button on great posts. I have not seen that on SSP - not sure if I'm not looking in the right place or if indeed the software on which SSP runs doesn't have this option. If it is an option the administrators can turn on, it could reduce the number of "nice pics" posts that often unnecessarily quote many images.
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I think it is important to assess carefully when financial ruin is what you're potentially playing with, but agree that some level of risk is always required. Question is, given the numerous real examples we're heard testimony on, is the significant additional risk of a condo special assessment, haywire board, or corruption in the additional layers between owner and service providers really worth it?
That's up to each and every person to decide at the time of purchasing a property. Be educated, consult the right people and weigh the risks and benefits.

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