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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 6:02 AM
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Cheap housing doesn't have to look like that.

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As I said in my previous post, most people's incomes over a long term aren't tied to inflation and are better. An by most people, I mean people with some ambition and some smarts. If one spends their life working at Walmart and or Tim Horton's and never getting promoted, this doesn't apply.

People see their income move up relative to inflation through various means other than simply getting an inflation raise every year. You buy a smaller house at a certain time in your life, and as your income increases, you sell and move up into a larger, nicer place and later on with your income situation continuing to improve and your mortgage lowering itself relative to the current economy due to appreciation, you get into a position where your nice home is cheap. See every city anywhere, but Vancouver and Toronto. Even in those cities, many who played their cards right have done well. Myself, and many other people I know bought their houses over the last couple of decades and have done very well over time. Our mortgages are low or gone altogether, so for me dead money would be rent going to an apartment.

The cheap housing I'm referring to that didn't work is something like this.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 2:45 PM
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That's not the problem I'm referring to. The problem is reduced affordability for both first time buyers and those wanting to move house. Sure, you've made paper money but if you want to move house, the new one has likely gone up just as much, so you're no further ahead.

Thanks for the lesson on how a mortgage works though, very insightful.

That's not been my experience. Maybe I have been lucky with timing. Maybe I have had good deals. But each time I have changed houses I have made money/value.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 2:50 PM
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I'm looking to put my house up for sale shortly. (detached house in Royal oak) Given the market, my house has decreased in value by about $75k since the high point of the market. That said I still should easily be able to sell it for about $100k more than I paid for it.

Normally I wouldn't sell right now but I will be moving to the US by the end of the year if all goes well. I'm not sure yet if I will keep some of my money here and look to buy an investment property has houses bottom out or just take it all with me. IT will depend more on what the Canadian dollar is doing at the time and how much I will lose in the conversion. That said, housing prices in NC and SC are a fraction of what they are here.
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Lucky you if you end up moving to the Carolinas. It’s a great area to live. Houses are very reasonable priced down there, even along the coast around the outer banks, grand strand etc..

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I'm looking to put my house up for sale shortly. (detached house in Royal oak) Given the market, my house has decreased in value by about $75k since the high point of the market. That said I still should easily be able to sell it for about $100k more than I paid for it.

Normally I wouldn't sell right now but I will be moving to the US by the end of the year if all goes well. I'm not sure yet if I will keep some of my money here and look to buy an investment property has houses bottom out or just take it all with me. IT will depend more on what the Canadian dollar is doing at the time and how much I will lose in the conversion. That said, housing prices in NC and SC are a fraction of what they are here.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 3:39 PM
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That’s not how real estate works. While you’re paying your mortgage the balance decreases. Often referred to as building equity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equity_(finance) the worst case scenario is that you don’t upgrade to a better place you’re still ahead of the game. In 20 maybe 15 years you’re not paying a mortgage. Real estate isn’t a get rich quick type investment, it takes some time and patience.
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And as I implied, you appear to have a problem with basic numeracy. Yes, peoples income increases with age, but that just means they will only be be able to maintain the same buying power rather than increasing it with increasing income if average house prices increase faster than average wage growth. And more importantly, it means first time buyers are screwed.

But sure, you had 'smarts' (lol) because you happened to enter the housing market at a time when house price to income multiples were lower than they are today, well done. You and Northern can continue your circle jerk if it makes you feel better.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 3:46 PM
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It’s not just millennials, there have always been idiots spending more money than they have, but millennials do it more. Things have come easily for them and it’s hard to change overnight and suddenly become realistic. They’ll get there, it just takes time.

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Not just iPhones, fancy coffees and exotic trips, but expensive everything from haircuts and cars. Millennial’s have no concept of driving an older less fancy car in order to get ahead. Little self control from what I’ve seen.

If they want to go ahead and spend money on those things, that’s great it’s their life to enjoy, but they shouldn’t be complaining about not being able to afford a house. Young people not being able to buy a house these days is a matter of not knowing how to prioritize things.

That and what bad grizzly touched on, I find a lot of millennials are for lack of a better word, lazy. I’m sure that plays a part.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 3:49 PM
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That has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion about rising or dropping house prices. But keep on repeating it. Cause it’s really quite interesting.
Do you post anything other than sarcastic rebuttals?
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Do you post anything other than sarcastic rebuttals?
He doesn't.
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Hey Damon, I think your pictures are great, and I appreciate your efforts. I’d like to make a suggestion if that’s okay.

I love the pano shots, especially the second one. I would do panoramic shots in that fashion. More of a 90° sweep rather than a 180° sweep. You still get the panoramic affect, but you get a more accurate and detailed photo. Other than that keep up the good effort.

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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 5:29 PM
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The cheap housing I'm referring to that didn't work is something like this.
^^^ That is a pretty disturbing sight!

Some years back I posted a picture of Kowloon walled city before it was demolished, and one of the forumers (used to go by KY something or other and was a gardener I think, but has since changed forum handle) actually responded how amazing it looked and that they wished they could live there.


REF: KWC - 1989 Aerial - Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license (work was unaltered)
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I have also had the same experiences (just been lucky I guess??), but I have a feeling it might not be the case when I’m forced to sell my rental in Altadore this April... fingers crossed!
If it is a rental property, why are you forced to sell?

If it is going to result in a capital gain, you can eliminate that by moving into the property for six months before selling. That way it becomes your private residence and is exempt from capital gains.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 6:10 PM
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August, by Avi Urban, has been ramping up their advertising. How far along is that construction? I suspect still very early. Looks decent


REF: https://www.aviurban.com/august/

They do have a couple 2 BR + Flex (IE 3 BR) units in the at 1,088 sf and 1,145 sf that could make family living a possibility. I think that's smart. Their A1.3 design is odd though, because the walk-in closet is literally directly across the toilet IE you'd have to step over knees depending on timing. And particularly bad timing could be a sensory nightmare!
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 6:34 PM
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You guys nailed it. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a younger person complain that they aren't getting the breaks, and that they would be as well off as me if it weren't for inflation (and other sob story reasons), I'd be a millionaire. Seriously.

Yeah, inflation's a bitch, but it's exactly what you guys have pointed out. It's about priorities, and having half a brain. I didn't spend my money on trips to Las Vegas and Mexico twice a year, on over priced but fashionable phones, or clubbing it twice a week, eating at trendy but overpriced restaurants so I could take a selfie and post it on social media. I didn't spend 200 buck on a haircut. Instead, 15 years ago I bought a house, and started paying it down. I still have the same house and the mortgage is now less than a 100K. My vehicles aren't fancy and don't have a $3K stereo system, but they're economical, and I take care of them, and as a result have no car payments.

I was laid off 6 months ago, but my wife works, and I do some odd jobs on the side (snow shoveling, reno work, etc..). My wife doesn't make a lot of money, but between the two of us we can afford to live comfortably and raise our two kids, thanks to some forethought and responsible finances.

Anytime someone tells you it's all about luck, tell them to get educated on the concept of money and finances. It's not about luck.

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Exactly. The concept of cheap housing so everyone can be equal has been tried already and it doesn’t work. Having prices skyrocket isn’t a great thing either, but what I would like to see ideally is real estate appreciating
by around 5-7% every year. A little bit above inflation.

People wrongly assume that if real estate increases above inflation rate that nobody will ever be able to afford a home. The fact is, over time most people’s income increases better than inflation, via getting married and having two incomes, via promotions at work, etc.. there’s easily room for hoses to increase at higher than the inflation rate and still make it affordable for people, this is the way it’s been over a decade and it’s worked fine.
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As I said in my previous post, most people's incomes over a long term aren't tied to inflation and are better. An by most people, I mean people with some ambition and some smarts. If one spends their life working at Walmart and or Tim Horton's and never getting promoted, this doesn't apply.

People see their income move up relative to inflation through various means other than simply getting an inflation raise every year. You buy a smaller house at a certain time in your life, and as your income increases, you sell and move up into a larger, nicer place and later on with your income situation continuing to improve and your mortgage lowering itself relative to the current economy due to appreciation, you get into a position where your nice home is cheap. See every city anywhere, but Vancouver and Toronto. Even in those cities, many who played their cards right have done well. Myself, and many other people I know bought their houses over the last couple of decades and have done very well over time. Our mortgages are low or gone altogether, so for me dead money would be rent going to an apartment.

The cheap housing I'm referring to that didn't work is something like this.
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With all due respect, you’re the one struggling with the basic numbers. What BG said in this post is true and applies to a lot of people. You buy your house at some point, and then you are locked into the prices of that time even if your house goes up in value. You and/or your wife continue to get raises etc. and you build up your finances, all the while paying down the principle on your mortgage. I think you missed the part where BG mentioned people get raises over time and other various sources to boost income. You also probably missed the fact that, once you buy a house you are locked into the market and it’s a hedge against inflation. This isn’t rocket science and millions of people everywhere grasp the concept.
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Home ownership rates in Canada and most of the world have been very stable for decades. If some Millenials are finding it hard to buy maybe they should look at their expenses. Going on exotic trips constantly, buying over priced iPhones, etc. adds up.

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Not just iPhones, fancy coffees and exotic trips, but expensive everything from haircuts and cars. Millennial’s have no concept of driving an older less fancy car in order to get ahead. Little self control from what I’ve seen.

If they want to go ahead and spend money on those things, that’s great it’s their life to enjoy, but they shouldn’t be complaining about not being able to afford a house. Young people not being able to buy a house these days is a matter of not knowing how to prioritize things.

That and what bad grizzly touched on, I find a lot of millennials are for lack of a better word, lazy. I’m sure that plays a part.
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I have my reasons, and am aware of how capital gain works. It's also within my corp, but anyways...
All good if within your corp. I wasn't trying to be a wiener, rather was offering up something not everyone is aware of.
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I'm seeing more and more of the Calgary Herald's content as being an advertising dressed in an article's clothing. Sharing this one as the "advertisement" is regarding the Hons' Guardian towers:

https://calgaryherald.com/sponsored/real...ng-windows-frame-views-of-city-mountains
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Some years back I posted a picture of Kowloon walled city before it was demolished, and one of the forumers (used to go by KY something or other and was a gardener I think, but has since changed forum handle) actually responded how amazing it looked and that they wished they could live there.


REF: KWC - 1989 Aerial - Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license (work was unaltered)
The above image of high density begs a question I had posed several years back and that we briefly discussed at the time, but may have different thoughts with more years of collective wisdom accrued:

What is the ideal density?

This implies that there indeed can be too much density. At what level is more density not a good thing?

My recollection of the prior discussion was that it came about in part because of a plan to develop a few mid-sized business hubs in the city - big brothers to TODs (for which some of Toronto's TOD hubs particularly north of their DT along Yonge Street were a touchstone).
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I'm seeing more and more of the Calgary Herald's content as being an advertising dressed in an article's clothing. Sharing this one as the "advertisement" is regarding the Hons' Guardian towers:

https://calgaryherald.com/sponsored/real...ng-windows-frame-views-of-city-mountains
As soon as you see the words ‘sponsored’ in the link, you know it’s advertising.
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Couldn’t agree more.
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You guys nailed it. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a younger person complain that they aren't getting the breaks, and that they would be as well off as me if it weren't for inflation (and other sob story reasons), I'd be a millionaire. Seriously.

Yeah, inflation's a bitch, but it's exactly what you guys have pointed out. It's about priorities, and having half a brain. I didn't spend my money on trips to Las Vegas and Mexico twice a year, on over priced but fashionable phones, or clubbing it twice a week, eating at trendy but overpriced restaurants so I could take a selfie and post it on social media. I didn't spend 200 buck on a haircut. Instead, 15 years ago I bought a house, and started paying it down. I still have the same house and the mortgage is now less than a 100K. My vehicles aren't fancy and don't have a $3K stereo system, but they're economical, and I take care of them, and as a result have no car payments.

I was laid off 6 months ago, but my wife works, and I do some odd jobs on the side (snow shoveling, reno work, etc..). My wife doesn't make a lot of money, but between the two of us we can afford to live comfortably and raise our two kids, thanks to some forethought and responsible finances.

Anytime someone tells you it's all about luck, tell them to get educated on the concept of money and finances. It's not about luck.
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It was KW150, but he was a nut case. I also recall he lived in the Beltline and liked the crime and the grit.

I would bet that less than 0.0001% of any group of people would want to live there.

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^^^ That is a pretty disturbing sight!

Some years back I posted a picture of Kowloon walled city before it was demolished, and one of the forumers (used to go by KY something or other and was a gardener I think, but has since changed forum handle) actually responded how amazing it looked and that they wished they could live there.


REF: KWC - 1989 Aerial - Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license (work was unaltered)
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The most recent update on SRC is from a week ago, showing about half the pit excavated, so it must be getting close to a full level of excavation.

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August, by Avi Urban, has been ramping up their advertising. How far along is that construction? I suspect still very early. Looks decent

REF: https://www.aviurban.com/august/

They do have a couple 2 BR + Flex (IE 3 BR) units in the at 1,088 sf and 1,145 sf that could make family living a possibility. I think that's smart. Their A1.3 design is odd though, because the walk-in closet is literally directly across the toilet IE you'd have to step over knees depending on timing. And particularly bad timing could be a sensory nightmare!
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