O-Train Line 1/3 [Stage 2 | West Extension | Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Here are a couple other stations that could use a name change outside the four we've mentioned;

• Place d'Orléans and/or Orléans Boulevard. Having stations which such similar names could confuse anyone not familiar with the system and the area. Place d'Orléans should theoretically get priority since it is a landmark and hence better know. Verdict, maybe name the Orléans Boulevard station Convent Glen for the neighborhood to the south.
  
• Montréal Station. For one thing, everyone associates Montréal Road with Vanier, not this part of town. This is also the point where Montréal becomes St-Joseph. I would recommend Beacon Hill Station instead.
  
• Better name for Queensview? Maybe IKEA? Baxter? Queensway Terrace? Citizen?
  
• Pinecrest is just before the street changes to Greenbank. I'd recommend Foster or Dumaurier. Maybe not Dumaurier. Love the name but ruined by cancer sticks.

Please, no stations named after businesses (which are not permanent). Then we could get into sponsorships, which would confuse everybody as sponsorships are always fixed in length. We don't need to get this crassly commercial.

[J.OT13]

I was joking with IKEA/Citizen. Sorry that wasn't clear.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I was joking with IKEA/Citizen. Sorry that wasn't clear.

No problem

[Norman Bates]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Here are a couple other stations that could use a name change outside the four we've mentioned;

• Place d'Orléans and/or Orléans Boulevard. Having stations which such similar names could confuse anyone not familiar with the system and the area. Place d'Orléans should theoretically get priority since it is a landmark and hence better know. Verdict, maybe name the Orléans Boulevard station Convent Glen for the neighborhood to the south.
  
• Montréal Station. For one thing, everyone associates Montréal Road with Vanier, not this part of town. This is also the point where Montréal becomes St-Joseph. I would recommend Beacon Hill Station instead.
  
• Better name for Queensview? Maybe IKEA? Baxter? Queensway Terrace? Citizen?
  
• Pinecrest is just before the street changes to Greenbank. I'd recommend Foster or Dumaurier. Maybe not Dumaurier. Love the name but ruined by cancer sticks.

Convent Glen is a good choice as it works for both North and south neighbourhoods.

IIRC the current Pinecrest Transitway station was labelled Dumaurier in early planning documents.

[J.OT13]

Did not know that both sides of the 174 along Orleans Boulevard shared the same name or that Pinecrest Station was at one point labeled Dumaurier before it was built. Good to know. Thanks!

[Norman Bates]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Did not know that both sides of the 174 along Orleans Boulevard shared the same name or that Pinecrest Station was at one point labeled Dumaurier before it was built. Good to know. Thanks!

Yep. Convent Glen South was the first one built. Then Convent Glen North a few years later. They were originally connected by an at-grade, lighted, intersection of 17 (now 174) and Jeanne d’Arc.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Norman Bates

Yep. Convent Glen South was the first one built. Then Convent Glen North a few years later. They were originally connected by an at-grade, lighted, intersection of 17 (now 174) and Jeanne d’Arc.

Convent Glen was named for the Grey Nuns' Maison Notre-Dame de la Providence.

Hence the main street called Grey Nuns Drive.

Built on land once owned by the nuns.

[Kitchissippi]

Cleary could be called McKellar Park, which that neighbourhood is called and the park itself isn't that far. Archibald McKellar originally settled on much of the land around the station from the river to Carling Ave. His house still stands at 635 Richmond, surrounded by townhouses.

New Orchard is another minor street, and the station would be better named after Ambleside since most of the condo towers are on that drive.

Another possible name for Dominion would be Skead's Mills, the original name of Westboro. James Skead built a lumber mill on that spot near the station. When he sold lots it included wood to build a house, so many of the oldest houses in Westboro trace their origins to the mill.

[J.OT13]

Those are good options. Neighborhoods seem a whole more descriptive than streets in a lot of cases.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Those are good options. Neighborhoods seem a whole more descriptive than streets in a lot of cases.

Agreed. Naming it after a minor street that no-one has heard of isn't useful and naming it after a major street creates confusion with buses (or worse, future trains) running along that street (ex. how do you know where exactly is Baseline Station when you are taking the 88 along Baseline Rd).

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Agreed. Naming it after a minor street that no-one has heard of isn't useful and naming it after a major street creates confusion with buses (or worse, future trains) running along that street (ex. how do you know where exactly is Baseline Station when you are taking the 88 along Baseline Rd).

It's where the transit line crosses that street. This is a common principle in naming stations on transit line. If it causes "confusion" for some people, that's their problem for being dumb.

[Gat-Train]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

It's where the transit line crosses that street. This is a common principle in naming stations on transit line. If it causes "confusion" for some people, that's their problem for being dumb.

As mentioned previously, Algonquin is a good name, both because of the college and for renaming stations according to First Nations themes. Besides, Baseline road is going to have BRT, so that station will be the intersection of two rapid transit lines

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

It's where the transit line crosses that street. This is a common principle in naming stations on transit line. If it causes "confusion" for some people, that's their problem for being dumb.

There are a lot of cases where people are just illogical or sometimes "dumb", but this isn't one of them. We can't expect everyone to know every street in the city or even be able to identify all major streets on a map.

Cleary is a minor street. I'd wager the majority of people don't know where it is. Even looking at a map with the station name displayed, it's still not obvious. Same with New Orchard. I had to Google it a few times when they proposed that station, and I'm fairly well versed in the layout of the entire region.

McKellar Park and Ambleside are better know. When you talk to a friend or a co-worker, an acquaintance, they might mention the neighborhood they live it, but not that minor street next to the station. A tourist visiting the city will know more neighborhoods than streets.

So yes, name stations for major cross streets, especially if that street has a low potential of ever crossing another transit line or hosting one itself. But when a station serves a minor street, better name it for the neighborhood, which is also common practice BTW. When a station is named for a neighborhood, you see that neighborhood. The look, the feel, the surroundings. You know it. An unknown minor street doesn't capture the imagination. .

[J.OT13]

One thing I'd like to see at stations serving urban neighborhoods like Wellington West and Westboro is clearer indication on the area maps and signage around the station, maybe even a line on the street similar to the Sentier Culturel in Hull, in order to direct people to the mains streets.

Tunney's a good example. Wellington West should be highlighted, the logo should appear, more businesses should be displayed (for an optional small fee maybe or in partnership with the BIA).


http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail/tunneys_pasture

[Ottawaresident]

Arethey really putting that map up? That thing is
a) Ugly
b) Useless

[J.OT13]

I can understand ugly, but it's not useless. Just not as useful as it could be.

[HighwayStar]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I can understand ugly, but it's not useless. Just not as useful as it could be.

I don't think it's ugly at all... and as someone who's traveled Subways/Metros/Tubes all over the world, I find these types of maps immensely useful when arriving at an unfamiliar stop.

Great for getting bearings in a new neighbourhood... and always nice to see the various businesses and estimated walking times.

[J.OT13]

I could understand why someone might think it's ugly, but it's a great tool to have. I like how they make the Confederation Line pop-out with the red colour (and green for Trillium) and how the station entrances are well indicated. It's great to see some of the most prominent buildings clearly identified.

I wish they made more effort identifying the shopping and entertainment streets/districts like Wellington West along with a few of the businesses (maybe colour coded to identify shopping and restaurants so that it doesn't get too busy with names). The S/E Transitway on the Hurdman map is also not as well identified as it could be. It might help if they had all Transitways blue, as we often see on the TMP maps. These improvements which might add a little colour to the destination areas might make the map more appealing to people like Ottawaresident and better direct tourists and those not familiar with the areas best attractions.

This is a great start, but they could do a more.

[Acajack]

Put me down as a fan of those maps. The more info the better!

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

It's where the transit line crosses that street. This is a common principle in naming stations on transit line. If it causes "confusion" for some people, that's their problem for being dumb.

Did you read what I said? Here it is again for your convenience, with the key points highligted:

Originally Posted by roger1818

Agreed. Naming it after a minor street that no-one has heard of isn't useful and naming it after a major street creates confusion with buses (or worse, future trains) running along that street (ex. how do you know where exactly is Baseline Station when you are taking the 88 along Baseline Rd).

Considering the 88 runs along Baseline Rd. from one end to the other, where exactly does it cross Baseline? As others have said, Algonquin is a better name. Not only because of the college and for renaming stations according to First Nations themes, but because it pinpoints on the map where the station is in 2 dimensions, not just one.

Rideau and St-Laurent aren't so bad as they are the name of the mall that the station is near, though I think Rideau/ByWard would have been a better name.