Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 483

madog222 · #**9641** Posted **Jan 30, 2019, 9:08 AM**

An interestingly timed uncaptioned post on BC MOTI’s Flickr in the midst of all this attention on exuding all the way to UBC. To me it feels like someone wanting to cool down all the excitement.

Broadway Subway Project Map by B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, on Flickr

Migrant_Coconut · #**9642** Posted **Jan 30, 2019, 11:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

I think you failed to read the article posted above. The unanimous vote was by the Mayors’ Council on Regional Transportation, not the council for the City of Vancouver. Vancouver City Council votes later this week.

Thanks. This city has too many goddamn councils sometimes.

Now the mayors' council is home to Cote, Buchanan, Brodie, (Richard) Stewart, Harris and Booth, so that's equally surprising.

WarrenC12 · #**9643** Posted **Jan 30, 2019, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Thanks. This city has too many goddamn councils sometimes.

Now the mayors' council is home to Cote, Buchanan, Brodie, (Richard) Stewart, Harris and Booth, so that's equally surprising.

The vote was pretty symbolic and didn't cost any money.

swimmer_spe · #**9644** Posted **Jan 31, 2019, 2:45 AM**

Skytrain to UBC is the only sensible thing. Why force a transfer?

Dengler Avenue · #**9645** Posted **Jan 31, 2019, 2:48 AM**

Isn’t it common knowledge that politics’s dumb?

Feathered Friend · #**9646** Posted **Jan 31, 2019, 3:00 AM**

After a contentious afternoon of speakers, which included Elizabeth Murphy being ruled out of order and having her mic cut off, the motion passed. (For those interested) https://youtu.be/yAMXxsliM5w?t=589

This was only after an amendment that specified that any land use change would result from the City Plan process, and not as part of the subway development.

The final vote on the main motion was 9 - 2, Swanson and Hardwick opposed.

fredinno · #**9647** Posted **Jan 31, 2019, 4:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

I think you failed to read the article posted above. The unanimous vote was by the Mayors’ Council on Regional Transportation, not the council for the City of Vancouver. Vancouver City Council votes later this week.

Someone remind me in 10 years, when this area's rezoning is still SFH.

GenWhy? · #**9648** Posted **Jan 31, 2019, 5:56 PM**

Has Swanson voted "yes" on anything yet?

fredinno · #**9649** Posted **Jan 31, 2019, 8:38 PM**

Can't believe this news hasn't been posted yet: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/ubc-skytrain-extension-vancouver-city-council-january-2019

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Vancouver City Council has approved a staff recommendation to advance rail rapid transit planning between Arbutus Street and the University of British Columbia’s Point Grey campus as a seamless SkyTrain extension.
But the vote was not unanimous, with city councillors Colleen Hardwick (NPA) and Jean Swanson (COPE) voting against, making it a 9-2 vote.

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Throughout the day, there were approximately two dozen public speakers, with the business community, UBC students, Vancouver Westside residents, and special interest groups represented. While businesses and students largely expressed their staunch support for SkyTrain, some local residents and groups wanted further consideration for street-LRT over the higher cost of SkyTrain, their disbelief of the high future ridership and demand figures presented by TransLink’s report, and concerns over the potential impact on housing costs and land use in their community.

I guess that Rail for the Valley lobby is still going strong?

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Comparatively, street-level LRT’s ultimate maximum capacity of 6,120 passengers per hour per direction provides just 25% of the ultimate maximum capacity of SkyTrain, and at a much higher cost. It will also attract significantly less ridership and reach capacity by around 2045, just 15 years after the estimated 2030 completion of any rail transit extension to UBC.

So, I guess we should build a new LRT every 15 years? /s

Prometheus · #**9650** Posted **Jan 31, 2019, 8:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by fredinno

Can't believe this news hasn't been posted yet:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/ubc-skytrain-extension-vancouver-city-council-january-2019

It was posted three entries above your post, in plain sight.

atifield · #**9651** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 5:58 AM**

Let's say initial engineering studies and funding phase goes smoothly, when is the realistic timeline for extension to UBC? Could this be a continuous project immediately follow Arbutus extension in 2025?

Metro-One · #**9652** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 6:06 AM**

One would hope so.

Th 2030 date thrown around is ludicrous. How can it take 11 years from this point to completion, especially given the supposed pro transit political climate we currently have.

2028 would be a far more reasonable time frame.

Galaxy · #**9653** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 6:44 AM**

Hopefully they can keep the tunnel boring machine boring all the way to UBC There is no point in decommissioning or stopping the machine and removing it only to put it back and start boring a year or so after. The best use of tax payer funding would be to build the entire line and bore all the tunnel sections all the way to UBC and just have each segment open as they finish commissioning when ever that is....

dleung · #**9654** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 6:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Skytrain to UBC is the only sensible thing. Why force a transfer?

Agreed.

York University in Toronto is surrounded by industrial and greenfield, and has not one but TWO brand new subway stations at either end, each more palatial than even the Montreal metro stations... and the university chipped in nothing. Just let that sink in as we penny pinch and delay upgrades to the busiest bus corridor in North America...

logan5 · #**9655** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 6:55 AM**

Can't remember the exact figures from the Canada Line bored tunnel, but I remember being surprised at how little the actual raw tunnel and lining cost. So maybe going straight to UBC is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Hopefully they can keep the tunnel boring machine boring all the way to UBC There is no point in decommissioning or stopping the machine and removing it only to put it back and start boring a year or so after. The best use of tax payer funding would be to build the entire line and bore all the tunnel sections all the way to UBC and just have each segment open as they finish commissioning when ever that is....

WarrenC12 · #**9656** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 3:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

One would hope so.

Th 2030 date thrown around is ludicrous. How can it take 11 years from this point to completion, especially given the supposed pro transit political climate we currently have.

2028 would be a far more reasonable time frame.

How long ago did we get approved funding for the Arbutus line? After how many years of planning. And yet we don't even have an RFP out to market for the actual line.

Remember Evergreen?

If the Arbutus line is running in 2025, and the UBC line is running in 2030, I'll be pleasantly surprised. I wish it was faster, but that's reality.

Edit: Check out when this thread started... 2007.

aberdeen5698 · #**9657** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 3:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

How long ago did we get approved funding for the Arbutus line?

You seem to be living in a different universe than mine. What Arbutus line? The only funding commitment I'm aware of is for the Greenway.

WarrenC12 · #**9658** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 5:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

You seem to be living in a different universe than mine. What Arbutus line? The only funding commitment I'm aware of is for the Greenway.

Sorry, the "Millenium Line extension to Arbutus".

Migrant_Coconut · #**9659** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 6:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

Can't remember the exact figures from the Canada Line bored tunnel, but I remember being surprised at how little the actual raw tunnel and lining cost. So maybe going straight to UBC is a good idea.

The least we should do is finish the tunnel and add the stations in later.

Dengler Avenue · #**9660** Posted **Feb 1, 2019, 7:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The least we should do is finish the tunnel and add the stations in later.

And hope that the next government and/or city council won't order it to be filled in because it happened in Toronto.