Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Only reason Olympic Village existed was because of the Olympics, though- Olympic Village itself is >10 minutes away walking from Broadway-City Hall. There's no future station @ Nanaimo for the Millennium, 15 minutes away from the Expo Nanaimo Station. Apparently those two were too close, and would be redundant, and so, was deleted.

There's not that much down at Wesbrook, so that raises the question why build the Millennium Line down there if you don't need to? Translink didn't include it in their plans, after all, and the LRT/bus loop would offer better overall coverage, if slower.

Also for the connection to the 84 and 50.

Which is odd, considering that VCC and Commercial are virtually joined at the hip. If anything, TransLink could've eliminated Rupert and had both lines connected by the #7.

There's a reason why UBC refers to "Wesbrook Village" and "South Campus." 12,500 units would be almost a third of all housing in the UEL. Then there's a high school, community centre, groceries and a commercial strip - rather than having all those riders crowding UBC Central Station and then the 41st B-Line, it'd be a good idea to just have a second station.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

As it stands though, I'd say Jericho doesn't need a station unless they show a significant development there, and perhaps chip-in. Plenty of time to sort that out.

As ninja'd by fred just a while ago:

During today’s Mayors’ Council meeting, Vancouver Mayor Kennedy Stewart stated the First Nations that own the property have shown excitement for the extension to UBC and SkyTrain technology, and they suggested offering the land required for a station on their site.

Wonder if they can get them to fund part of the guideway too?

Originally Posted by fredinno

So, East Mall is the preferred alignment. That future station at the Golf course is dumb. If that thing ever shuts down, it should re-connect Pacific Spirit back into one lobe; as is, it currently breaks up the wildlife and habitat in the park into less environmentally valuable disconnected parcels. Underpasses for animals should also be built.

Again, this is the "how much will this cost" study, not the "what should the route look like" study. Plenty of time to negotiate, figure out who wants to sell, then figure what what stations to put where.

[officedweller]

East Mall - that's a nice alignment as it's somewhat "hidden" (might even open up the opportunity for a 3rd UBC station?)
They mention vibration effects, so hopefully that can be minimized.
Too bad the Wesbrook Building is to be demolished.

[s211]

Originally Posted by fredinno

[url]Underpasses for animals should also be built.

You mean the things in Banff National Park that are now called "cafeterias for predators"?

Predators have since learned to park themselves near animal overpasses/underpasses because they now know that their prey frequents the passes.

Unintended consequences are a wonderful thing.

[misher]

Originally Posted by s211

You mean the things in Banff National Park that are now called "cafeterias for predators"?

Predators have since learned to park themselves near animal overpasses/underpasses because they now know that their prey frequents the passes.

Unintended consequences are a wonderful thing.

Predators aka Asian Restaurant Owners!


Solving our pigeon problems one dish at a time.

[Xerx]

Originally Posted by s211

You mean the things in Banff National Park that are now called "cafeterias for predators"?

Predators have since learned to park themselves near animal overpasses/underpasses because they now know that their prey frequents the passes.

Unintended consequences are a wonderful thing.

What's your source for that? Because a quick search for me found that the evidence for that is uncertain at best.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Xerx

What's your source for that? Because a quick search for me found that the evidence for that is uncertain at best.

Good find!

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by fredinno

So, East Mall is the preferred alignment. That future station at the Golf course is dumb. If that thing ever shuts down, it should re-connect Pacific Spirit back into one lobe; as is, it currently breaks up the wildlife and habitat in the park into less environmentally valuable disconnected parcels. Underpasses for animals should also be built.

The golf course will for sure be redeveloped into expensive real estate. The Musqueam took it over for that reason. Same thing goes for the old garrison.

[misher]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

The golf course will for sure be redeveloped into expensive real estate. The Musqueam took it over for that reason. Same thing goes for the old garrison.

There exempt from the speculation tax too so they get a little competitive advantage over regular landowners.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by misher

There exempt from the speculation tax too so they get a little competitive advantage over regular landowners.

*They're

[Tetsuo]

Olympic Village Station should get rebranded into - Flase Creek - Olympic Village.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Also for the connection to the 84 and 50.

Which is odd, considering that VCC and Commercial are virtually joined at the hip. If anything, TransLink could've eliminated Rupert and had both lines connected by the #7.

There's a reason why UBC refers to "Wesbrook Village" and "South Campus." 12,500 units would be almost a third of all housing in the UEL. Then there's a high school, community centre, groceries and a commercial strip - rather than having all those riders crowding UBC Central Station and then the 41st B-Line, it'd be a good idea to just have a second station.

Sprott Shaw had a campus at Rupert until recently, and there's the Thunderbird Community Centre and school nearby... probably a similar case for VCC-Clark for VCC itself.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=145264&page=3


True.

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

The golf course will for sure be redeveloped into expensive real estate. The Musqueam took it over for that reason. Same thing goes for the old garrison.

I mean, it is supposed to be a golf course until the 2080s, I'm not sure if a future station would even make sense to implement if the nearest time it could be redeveloped is ~40 years after its completion. I mean, I guess Broadway-Kingsway on the Expo is in a similar situation. But we didn't go into it knowing that.

The TFN were given huge chunks of land in the ALR as well that they could not redevelop (at least not without going through the ALR removal process). https://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100022787/1100100022789

Just giving land to a First Nations is not an automatic 'redevelopment' card.






The Elevated option West of Point Grey is a no-brainer. The UBC central station would apparently be the busiest station in the entire network:

By 2045, the UBC terminus station near the intersection of University Boulevard and East Mall is projected to be the busiest station in terms of alightings today, with this single station seeing about 10,000 passengers alighting in the morning peak hour.
In contrast, the busiest station in 2018 in terms of alightings is Burrard Station, which experiences about 5,600 passenger alightings in the morning peak hour.

I support the proposed extra density near Acadia St, on Block D.

I have mixed feeling about moving the subway towards the Jericho Lands; it would skip the commercial district in the area, and if the Jericho Lands redevelopment isn't what everyone on here appears to expect, it would be an expensive mistake.

Though, moving the entire alignment north on the incomplete 8th St. Blvd, south towards the rest of the Campus might be an idea worth considering.



Sorry for everyone reading information twice, I basically decided to finish my post on the new article. Sorry.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

The golf course will for sure be redeveloped into expensive real estate. The Musqueam took it over for that reason. Same thing goes for the old garrison.

Just have to wait 60 years.

[The_Henry_Man]

I can understand the rationale of putting the station at UBC SUB above ground as part of the possible guideway being elevated on the UBC segment of the Millennium Line, but wouldn't it make more sense to have the station at UBC SUB underground? By looking at Google street view, if Translink has its way to have the guideway on University Blvd and then curve SE on East Blvd to Westbrook Village via the Westbrook Building, the only place to have that station would be where the median is located on University Blvd beside the Robert Lee Alumni Building. If that's the case, wouldn't the station be located a bit too far from the current bus loop? Especially considering that the UBC SUB station is possibly going to be among the busiest station in the entire Skytrain network, shouldn't that station be made grander with better seamless connection to the rest of the bus loop? If that station is underground, then I think the station box can possibly be located underneath the SUB or right between the SUB and the bus loop so that the transit connections can centralized better. Plus, looking at E.Mall, I have the feeling that street might be a bit too narrow for the elevated guideway, especially where the Health Sciences Parking Lot is located.

This is what I have in mind: perhaps transition from underground to at-grade immediate west of Blanca and go back underground again just before the University Village buildings, with the UBC SUB station underground, then curve SE where it would go underneath E.Blvd, and then transition to elevated just right after Thunderbird Blvd all the way to the Westbrook Village station terminus (possibly be located on Ross Drive between Birney and Gray Ave? Otherwise if that terminus station is located by W16th Ave, it's possibly going to be a bit too far from the Westbrook Village itself). What do you guys think about that?

[officedweller]

The bus loop can move to below an elevated station
- and I don't expect a lot of transfers since it's a terminus station.

Tunnel portals take up a lot of space and would create a barrier to pedestrians (since it would be fenced).

[SpongeG]

SkyTrain to UBC on the right track

By Iain Black | January 28, 2019

“Next stop: University of British Columbia.”

Although it may still be years before you hear those words announced over the SkyTrain intercom, last week our region took a significant step towards making the Millennium Line extension to UBC a reality.

During their January 24 meeting, the Mayors’ Council on Regional Transportation voted unanimously in favour of considering the SkyTrain extension to UBC, after receiving a report from TransLink endorsing SkyTrain as the best transit option to service the university’s campus and bustling Broadway corridor.

...

https://biv.com/article/2019/01/skytrain...XNVf-eSA_62H0VkSLRPGQjC392PXyQ_PhJTr8FwY

[Migrant_Coconut]

Unanimously? Even the Greens and Hardwick? Whaddya know.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Unanimously? Even the Greens and Hardwick? Whaddya know.

well was there any other common sense choice? i guess we should applaud people for having not-so-common common sense.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

well was there any other common sense choice? i guess we should applaud people for having not-so-common common sense.

You never know, plenty of people genuinely want LRT to UBC.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by fredinno

You never know, plenty of people genuinely want LRT to UBC.

Hardwick and Carr included, as stated last year. Fry and Swanson said they'd rather have more buses the year before that. Maybe it was just me, but I was bracing for a fight.

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Unanimously? Even the Greens and Hardwick? Whaddya know.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Maybe it was just me, but I was bracing for a fight.

I think you failed to read the article posted above. The unanimous vote was by the Mayors’ Council on Regional Transportation, not the council for the City of Vancouver. Vancouver City Council votes later this week.