Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[nname]

January Mayor's Council agena

Of interest:

RRT capital cost estimate is now $3.3 to $3.8B
Mod. LRT1 cost estimate $1.7 to $2.0B, will be over capacity by 2050
Combo1 cost estimate is $2.8 to $3.2B, will be over capacity by 2045

The only acceptable solution for LRT is to build a second LRT line on 41st, and the capital cost ranges from $3.7 to $7.1B (depending on the option), and will be at capacity by 2070.

I think from this presentation, the LRT is pretty much out. It's just a matter of whether to build the SkyTrain, or not building anything at all.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by nname

January Mayor's Council agena

Of interest:

RRT capital cost estimate is now $3.3 to $3.8B
Mod. LRT1 cost estimate $1.7 to $2.0B, will be over capacity by 2050
Combo1 cost estimate is $2.8 to $3.2B, will be over capacity by 2045

The only acceptable solution for LRT is to build a second LRT line on 41st, and the capital cost ranges from $3.7 to $7.1B (depending on the option), and will be at capacity by 2070.

I think from this presentation, the LRT is pretty much out. It's just a matter of whether to build the SkyTrain, or not building anything at all.

Good grief that's a lot of money just for the extension, in what appears to be straightforward geography.

No way they should waste time with LRT though. Bus, then Skytrain. That's it.

[WestCoastEcho]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

Obvious difference in loading gauge aside, you want Bombardier to build a special set of trains that uses BOTH LIM rail and conventional electric motor. lol wut?

Should be noted that Bombardier is building a variant of the INNOVIA Metro 300 (the same car type as the Mark III SkyTrain's) with regular rotary motors for the Riyadh Metro.

[ilikeredheads]

Originally Posted by WestCoastEcho

Should be noted that Bombardier is building a variant of the INNOVIA Metro 300 (the same car type as the Mark III SkyTrain's) with regular rotary motors for the Riyadh Metro.

that's normal because trains are never purchased just off-the-shelf but are always specifically customized to fit the system's needs. Both Innovia and Movia series can be configured in various ways.

What he was suggesting was to order trains that houses BOTH types of propulsion systems despite the fact that both Canada Line and Expo/Millennium Line are incompatible with each other. And doing so would require tremendous amount of money and significant periods of service disruptions. You are essentially rebuilding the entire line again. It's beyond absurd.

[dpogue]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Doesn't look like it would provide a meaningful increase in capacity.

This wasn't so much a prototype of the new vehicle itself as it was a test case for whether a longer/wider train could made it around the curves on the guideway.

Before that, there was also TV06:

Posted on Instagram by translinkbc

TV06 was a prototype MK II vehicle, fabricated in Kingston in the early 1990’s by taking 2 MK I test vehicles and Siameseing them together to make one 16.7m car from the two 12.7m MK I chassis. One of these MK I’s was originally a PreBuild car from the 1983 Main St. summer demo.

TV06 was intended to prove out a new floating frame steerable truck and also test a new propulsion system from General Dynamics, using central cooling ducts for the linear motors. It was tested for 4 months in Vancouver, after Revenue hours, then returned to Kingston where it is still occasionally used at the Test Track there

[MIPS]

There's another bus heading your way.

I was driving east out of Kamloops and a very filthy TransLink bus was driving west on highway 1. I wonder what someone gets paid to drive a bus like that from the factory to the destination city hundreds of kilometers away.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Good grief that's a lot of money just for the extension, in what appears to be straightforward geography.

No way they should waste time with LRT though. Bus, then Skytrain. That's it.

It's for Broadway to UBC, note, since UBC proposed to build have it extend all the way.

It's definitely because it's bored the entire way, plus the traditional cost margin. If NIMBYs allowed for cut-and-cover, it would be more like ~$1.5-2B probably.

Originally Posted by dpogue

This wasn't so much a prototype of the new vehicle itself as it was a test case for whether a longer/wider train could made it around the curves on the guideway.

Before that, there was also TV06:

Posted on Instagram by translinkbc

Mostly longer, not wider.

[madog222]

Render of the upgrades to 22nd Street Bus Exchange. I guess that dark line at the back is the electric bus charger.
It doesn’t like like there will be a bay for 60ft busses, I remember some talk a few years ago about using them on the 410 but with the Metrotown-Richmond B-line coming soon the 410 should seem reduced usage.

[WarrenC12]

What is the status of the Electric bus rollout? We had 2 for testing right?

[officedweller]

That 22nd St. Bus Exchange needs more open space behind the bus shelters for passenger circulation (walking to the shelter).
I see a sidewalk a level up, but that's not likely how people will walk to the shelters.

[sweetnhappy]

Originally Posted by officedweller

That 22nd St. Bus Exchange needs more open space behind the bus shelters for passenger circulation (walking to the shelter).
I see a sidewalk a level up, but that's not likely how people will walk to the shelters.

That's definitely true. I don't see all that much of an improvement over the existing exchange with regard to space for circulation. The lines for some of the routes get really long (from what I remember, been awhile). I wonder how much it would add to the cost for them to carve out additional space - it's not like there's anything besides shrubs and maybe some light posts.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by sweetnhappy

That's definitely true. I don't see all that much of an improvement over the existing exchange with regard to space for circulation. The lines for some of the routes get really long (from what I remember, been awhile). I wonder how much it would add to the cost for them to carve out additional space - it's not like there's anything besides shrubs and maybe some light posts.

They're doing some landscaping work and putting in shelters that don't have side walls on them, which will open up the waiting area a bit.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by nname

January Mayor's Council agena

Of interest:

RRT capital cost estimate is now $3.3 to $3.8B
Mod. LRT1 cost estimate $1.7 to $2.0B, will be over capacity by 2050
Combo1 cost estimate is $2.8 to $3.2B, will be over capacity by 2045

The only acceptable solution for LRT is to build a second LRT line on 41st, and the capital cost ranges from $3.7 to $7.1B (depending on the option), and will be at capacity by 2070.

I think from this presentation, the LRT is pretty much out. It's just a matter of whether to build the SkyTrain, or not building anything at all.

I think one of the only ways to resolve the capacity issue is to make changes to the way jobs are. A majority of the jobs are the typical 9-5 monday to friday jobs and transit serves that. If they staggered it out more like having a 9-5 shift and an 11-7 shift and a 1-9 shift and a 3-11 shift and so on, then there might be less crowding. But that's my theory.

[Mac Write]

How many of the new Mark III's are now in revenue service?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

How many of the new Mark III's are now in revenue service?

One? 429 is the lead car?

https://buzzer.translink.ca/2018/12/new-mark-iii-trains-undergoing-testing-and-commissioning/

[dpogue]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

How many of the new Mark III's are now in revenue service?

None.
432 is still undergoing testing due to some on-board computer issues.

[Mac Write]

With the delivery of 203 train cars in 2023-2024, what would be the frequency of train delivery, and are they expansion or replacements as the Mark I's aren't due to be replaced until 2026

[fredinno]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-train-speed

With a SkyTrain network that spans from UBC to Langley, one mayor in Metro Vancouver wants TransLink to consider getting faster trains for its upcoming new fleet order.
“Looking at how huge this network is going to end up, is there any conversation on the speed of rains? Are we going to have the ability to buy faster rolling stock?” Port Moody mayor Rob Vagramov asked TransLink staff during the Mayors’ Council meeting today.

He seemed to forget all those stations preventing Skytrain from hitting its max speed, and the need to prevent standees from 'drifting' to the back of the train from excess acceleration...

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by fredinno

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-train-speed



He seemed to forget all those stations preventing Skytrain from hitting its max speed, and the need to prevent standees from 'drifting' to the back of the train from excess acceleration...

Yea, don't think the trains are the problem here. They're more than capable of hitting some decent speeds.

[officedweller]

Transit fights of the past illuminate the present:
Remember Granville B-Line opposition, and Canada Line battle?
http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized...-line-opposition-and-canada-line-battle/