NEW YORK | 270 Park Ave | 1,389 FT | 57 FLOORS

[aaron38]

I don't have an issue with the city taking 10,000 sq ft as a condition of the upzoning. But it should be done as that, a taking. It could be eminent domain or completely voluntary. Something like "Want to turn your 100,000 sq ft building into 1 Million sq ft? Fine, but your lot line just shrank because they city is taking 10,000 sq ft for a publically owned and maintained plaza."

Then it would be true public space for true public use. And not "You can sit here at this designated private table for 30 minutes while eating your corporate lunch while making NO NOISE. Else security runs you off."

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by aaron38

I don't have an issue with the city taking 10,000 sq ft as a condition of the upzoning. But it should be done as that, a taking. It could be eminent domain or completely voluntary. Something like "Want to turn your 100,000 sq ft building into 1 Million sq ft? Fine, but your lot line just shrank because they city is taking 10,000 sq ft for a publically owned and maintained plaza."

The eminent domain taking would be a problem. There are just too many buildings in the city where this could apply, and you really have to have a reason for it other than we just want a public plaza. But really the spirit of the POPS was more floor space if you allocate a portion of the lot for public use. But at what point is it beneficial to the owner if you really need that bonus floor space for larger floorplates at the base of your tower, with limited space for an indoor public room? And do we really need public spaces in every skyscraper? So many of these spaces are under utilized, regardless of whatever rules they may have.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Here it is folks, DOB filing for demolition...


http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQu...passjobnumber=123656640&passdocnumber=01

FULL DEMOLITION has a ring to it when you're expecting something better...


https://www.6sqft.com/demolition-permits-filed-for-worlds-tallest-teardown-at-270-park-avenue/

Demolition permits filed for world’s tallest teardown at 270 Park Avenue


JANUARY 17, 2019
BY MICHELLE COHEN

Demolition permits were filed Tuesday for the JPMorgan Chase HQ at 270 Park Avenue, CityRealty reports. The building will be the tallest planned demolition in history. The filing is a significant step for the bank on the way to replacing the 1.5-million-square-foot Modernist tower previously known as the Union Carbide Building with a 2.5-million-square-foot skyscraper, to be designed by British Pritzker Prize winner Norman Foster/Foster + Partners architectural firm.

[NYguy]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsv-NssgB22/

Designed by @skidmoreowingsmerrill in 1964, 270 Park is currently the world headquarters of @jpmorgan. It was known as the Union Carbide Building when it was completed, as it was the headquarters for Union Carbide until 1983. Today, plans have been approved to demolish 270 Park to make way for a state of the art HQ for @jpmorgan. The new building will be over 1,400’ (instead of the current 707‘) and will be designed by @fosterandpartners

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by NYguy

FULL DEMOLITION has a ring to it when you're expecting something better...

Reincarnation!

“Don’t grieve. Anything you lose comes round in another form.”

― Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Balkhī

[Amanita]

Two things here- first, the whole "privately owned public space" thing. Somebody posted an article where the author was critical of the rules many of these spaces have- in truth, those rules are mainly to discourage homeless people from sleeping there or camping out. I think Occupy in Zuccotti Park might have had something to do with them too- nobody else wants that on their plaza. As for the city insisting on certain amounts of public space, that's because generally, developers make tradeoffs with the city in order to put up bigger buildings than zoning would otherwise allow for. Want a few extra floors, a little more floor-area ratio? Offer the city something in return. Subway access from your building? Boom, here's another floor or two. A public plaza? Have some more floor space. You get the picture. If the city is going to give concessions for developers, it's not unreasonable to ask for something in return, that will benefit the public good.

Second, about reincarnation- I'm an Animist at heart. I believe in something very similar to the Shinto concept of Kami or ensoulment. I feel that the original presence of 425 Park Avenue never really left, it's simply taken on a new form, a sort of human assisted metamorphasis. The same may well happen here. While I'm still not happy about the loss of this building, its spirit may yet persist, occupying what's built in its place.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Amanita

Two things here- first, the whole "privately owned public space" thing. Somebody posted an article where the author was critical of the rules many of these spaces have- in truth, those rules are mainly to discourage homeless people from sleeping there or camping out. I think Occupy in Zuccotti Park might have had something to do with them too- nobody else wants that on their plaza. As for the city insisting on certain amounts of public space, that's because generally, developers make tradeoffs with the city in order to put up bigger buildings than zoning would otherwise allow for. Want a few extra floors, a little more floor-area ratio? Offer the city something in return. Subway access from your building? Boom, here's another floor or two. A public plaza? Have some more floor space. You get the picture. If the city is going to give concessions for developers, it's not unreasonable to ask for something in return, that will benefit the public good.

I don't mind a plaza here or there, they offer respite in the busy, big city for those who want it. But like I said earlier, it's not as if the City isn't getting something in return simply by the building being there, such as taxes and the goal of retaining companies in the area, which is the main goal of the Midtown East rezoning, lest we forget. And it's not as if these developers are getting anything free for the privilege to build there, they have to purchase the additional air rights (because the City didn't upzone outright) and still contribute to the "Public Improvement Fund", which I supposed would go towards "improvements" in the area ($42 million alone from Chase for that fund). And that's all before you even get to the plaza/public space requirement.

Second, about reincarnation- I'm an Animist at heart. I believe in something very similar to the Shinto concept of Kami or ensoulment. I feel that the original presence of 425 Park Avenue never really left, it's simply taken on a new form, a sort of human assisted metamorphasis. The same may well happen here. While I'm still not happy about the loss of this building, its spirit may yet persist, occupying what's built in its place.

Originally Posted by chris08876

Reincarnation!

“Don’t grieve. Anything you lose comes round in another form.”

― Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Balkhī

That's how you have to look at it. It's basically a renovation/remodeling on a larger scale. 270 Park Avenue will remain, it will just be a larger and improved structure for it's owner and tenants. Think of it as rebuilding your home.

And as we prepare for the demo (and because I like aerials), a look at what will be replaced (Google earth)

[Amanita]

I was hoping to come to NYC this spring, but might have to wait till the fall (money issues and all). If I come around Halloween, I am not sure whether I should cosplay as 270 Park Avenue, with black wings and a halo, or as 277 Park. It would be even better if I could get a partner or group thing going- get somebody to dress as Dimon too.

On a spiritual level, here's a couple of quotes:
"Death isn't so bad, it's the getting there that hurts."- The Pagan Book of Living and Dying
On reincarnation:
"Give me my heart. Let it pump again life's power in me, infuse my hands and feet with spirit. Give me my heart, let me rise and walk. I am quickened. No more sleep. No more dream. No more death."
-Awakening Osiris, Normandi Ellis.

[NYguy]

^ Maybe by then we'll have a render and a definitive design, and you will have someone join you as the new 270.

[BoM Trespasser]

Indoor or enclosed space at plaza level. Lots of airy volume and glass. Look up and see a beautiful and big Caulder mobile and then, beyond the glass ceiling, the soaring 1400 foot skyscraper. All enjoyed in climate-controlled comfort.

Not original, but works for me.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by BoM Trespasser

Indoor or enclosed space at plaza level. Lots of airy volume and glass. Look up and see a beautiful and big Caulder mobile and then, beyond the glass ceiling, the soaring 1400 foot skyscraper. All enjoyed in climate-controlled comfort.

Not original, but works for me.

Indoor or enclosed space at plaza level. Lots of airy volume and glass. Look up and see a beautiful and big Caulder mobile and then, beyond the glass ceiling, the soaring 1400 1600 foot skyscraper. All enjoyed in climate-controlled comfort.

Not original, but works for me



There, I fixed that for you

[NYguy]

After reading news about the Macklowe tower, I'm convinced this needs to hit 1,500 ft to join the battle for Midtown's tallest.

[Hudson11]

the banker vs the real estate mogul. Throw an automobile tsar into the mix and maybe we'd get a megatall out of the ego battle.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

the banker vs the real estate mogul. Throw an automobile tsar into the mix and maybe we'd get a megatall out of the ego battle.

Yeah, who knows what else is being cooked up as we speak. Remember tgat mysterious SOM proposal? But I'm excited to see all of it! Let 270 battle it out, Game of Thrones style.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by NYguy

After reading news about the Macklowe tower, I'm convinced this needs to hit 1,500 ft to join the battle for Midtown's tallest.

Maybe JPMorgan will remember when Macklowe denied them and switched to Deutsche Bank for One Wall Street. It was north of $800 million too! Give them a little revenge motivation to make this the 2nd tallest!

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

But at 1500+, with " + " being the free radical, it may very well suprise us. All that it would need is a spire. IDK if its to the roof, but a spire, assuming a 1500ish roof, and we could have a new tallest.

I do welcome skyscraper wars. We need a little more ego when it comes to towers between developers, like the good old days.

[NYguy]

I need this render, with an official rendering, bad...

[chris08876]

^^^^^

That Chase rendering is still leagues better than what we typically see on the DOB postings by job sites. You know... the ones that are drawn by pencil and look like Kindergarten students drew it.

Exhibit A (one of many):

[bgsrand]

Anyone have details on how this demo will play out based on some older demos in this height range? Hard to visualize how they will bring this down safely, and at an efficient rate.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by chris08876

That Chase rendering is still leagues better than what we typically see on the DOB postings by job sites. You know... the ones that are drawn by pencil and look like Kindergarten students drew it.

Etch-a-Sketch's

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by chris08876

That Chase rendering is still leagues better than what we typically see on the DOB postings by job sites.

Most of them are actual renderings though.

Originally Posted by bgsrand

Anyone have details on how this demo will play out based on some older demos in this height range? Hard to visualize how they will bring this down safely, and at an efficient rate.

You can read this article...
https://therealdeal.com/2018/03/08/the-w...ieces-heres-how-270-park-will-disappear/



Here's an idea of the types of equipment that will be used...